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−	== Demo on new ParticleMen video? ==
−	[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4yMyKEgLKQ] it sounds like Flans singing to me. does it deserve a song page?--[[User:Nosaj56|Nosaj56]] 09:18, 9 September 2011 (EDT)	+	==Shows with multiple posters==
		+	I'm sorting through my big ol' pile of miscellaneous TMBG stuff  I need to sort through and came across a show poster, but the show already has a different poster uploaded. I'm sure there must be some way to include both but I'm not sure how that works with the template. It's actually an early show/late show situation so I suppose one poster could be linked to the early and one to the late, but neither of them are actually specific to either. If it matters I will also add that the one I have is a smaller flier sort of thing, and I vaguely remember some discussion at some point about posters vs. fliers vs. small listings in newspapers, but I don't recall what if any conclusions were ever reached. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 04:34, 19 June 2023 (EDT)
−	I would have no idea whether it merits a page or not, or what to title it if a page was made because I can't understand all of the lyrics. (Sounds mostly like "How fast is the speed of light" and "I was drunk".) I asked Flans about it on twitter and he said it's kind of a sketch of a new song, so I guess it qualifies as a demo of something. -[[User:J-Gatz|J-Gatz]]	+	==Collection feature==
		+	It seems that the collection feature has been broken since January. Every time I try to add something to my collection, the button just disappears. Does anyone know what's going on? -[[User:Cf20936|Cf20936]]
		+	:Code is broken. [[User:CapitalQ| Cap]] has already alerted one of the coding moderators of it.--[[User:You&Me!!|You&Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&Me!!|talk]]) 14:53, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
−	:According to the TMBG newsletter that just showed up in my inbox, it's called "Read a Book." --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 18:49, 9 September 2011 (EDT)	+	== new version of file problem ==
−	== Past Shows ==	+	I’m having problems with uploading new versions of files. I tried to upload a new version of TMBGApp2.png and it just uploaded a stretched-out version of the same image.
−	I remember being fortunate to see you guys at Infest in Highriver Calgary, Alberta, Canada, in 1993, sorry to age you and myself!  The show was amazing but I was the annoying broad that kept asking you to play Minimum Wage, as true gentlemen you played it for me twice and that was great. Other great bands at that festival were, The Ramones, Violent Femmes, Bad Brains!  It was something I will never forget hope to see you guys again love all the new stuff and activities!	+	I tried the same thing with Beatles.jpg and on the [[The Beatles]] article, it displays the same image, but on the file page, it displays the image I uploaded. What’s happening?? - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	Anastasia	+	:Your browser doesn't realize there's a new file at the same URL as the previous image it already loaded. Just need to do a cache refresh to see the new image come through. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 09:54, 15 May 2022 (EDT)
−	:Hate to be the one to break this to you, but this is for talking to other wiki users, not The Johns. While they do know about and appreciate the wiki, I've gotten the impression that they use it mainly for things like checking setlists and wouldn't be paying attention to comments like this. I'd suggest using Twitter or Tumblr--Flans often responds to fans there. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 18:08, 16 September 2011 (EDT)	+	==Flansy Accident==
		+	According to a post by Linnell to the Facebook page, Flansy was in a car accident last night on the way home from the concert, breaking seven ribs. https://www.facebook.com/theymightbegiants--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 11:56, 9 June 2022 (EDT)
−	== Feature Request: Direct link to song performance page from Show pages ==	+	== Photographer?? ==
−	I don't really know how to describe it without going into a little detail, so let me explain. I was looking on a Show page (specifically [[Shows/2011-09-15b|this one]] and I wanted to see how many times that song has been performed. However, to do this, you currently have to go to that song's page and then click on the "x known performances" link from there. I feel like it would be easier to have a little link in the setlist next to each song that could take you to the performances page.	+	Hold on, is Linnell a photographer? I always assumed that there were two people named John Linnell, one an awesome very-talented songwriter, and the other a photographer, but now I'm starting to think they're the same guy. Somebody please clarify because I am very confused. - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	Is this something that would be possible to do? Or even worth doing? [[User:WhatIsThatThing|-WhatIsThatThing]] 19:00, 16 September 2011 (EDT)	+	:TMBG Linnell is an outspoken camera enthusiast and enjoys taking photos, but I don't think there's any famous photographer named John Linnell. There is an 18th century painter with the same name. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 21:49, 6 July 2022 (EDT)
−	:It would be cool if clicking the bullet next to a song's name sent you there.  It would require some template surgery and possibly stylesheet stuff depending on how you did it, and I'm not sure if others would care enough about it.  It would be neat though... though I wouldn't like it if there was clutter in that thin column just for the purpose of saving a click. ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]] 19:44, 16 September 2011 (EDT)	+	== The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door ==
−	::A sorta related thing I've been wishing for for a long time is a table that shows how many times ''every'' song has been performed live, in descending order, so you can see what song's been played the most without having to look at every song's page. [[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 23:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+	in 2004, an audiobook named "[https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100349/men-and-cartoons-by-jonathan-lethem/ Men and Cartoons]" was published, a collection of short stories, with one being by john linnell. "The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door" is 22 minutes of john linnell narrating his own original short story (with the first 1:30 having music). it is also available on [http://www.museumofidiots.com/tmbg/mp3s/dystopianist.mp3 museumofidiots.com]. there is hardly any information about it online anywhere, or any transcription. i think a page on TMBW would be a good place for it, but i want to verify first: would such a page be deleted for not actually being music (at least, past the first 1:30)? --[[User:Ncrecc|Ncrecc]] ([[User talk:Ncrecc|talk]]) 09:34, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
−	:::It's not really a mystery which song has been played the most, but I still like the idea of a full list, if only to compare the Top 50 or so. [[User:Perspixx|Perspixx]] 00:37, 23 September 2011 (EDT)	+	:It should definitely have a TMBW page! Just probably not a "song" page. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:42, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
−	== recent news ==	+	on further inspection, it seems that the story actually originates from the print version of men and cartoons, written solely by johnathan lethem, and john linnell's only involvement was narrating the audiobook version. i should probably have deduced that (it is an easy deduction to make) before transcribing the audio... good way to spend half of an hour. --[[User:Ncrecc|Ncrecc]] ([[User talk:Ncrecc|talk]]) 12:48, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
−	it looks like something's up with the [http://www.tmbw.net/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=deciduous main page in deciduous].  specifically, the "recent news" image: it's not centred. here's a nifty screenshot: [http://www.majhost.com/gallery/apollo18/musics/tmbg/wiki/srecentnew.png (nifty)]. it's happening in both safari and firefox.- [[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 17:22, 19 September 2011 (EDT)	+
−	:Thanks...I found the culprit and fixed it. (FYI - it was also happening in Yuletide.) --Duke33 18:41, 19 September 2011 (EDT)	+	:In the future, if you're curious or confused about something on my site, just ask me. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 16:46, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
−	== Exciting news from Flans ==	+	:Just following up to say I still think the audiobook reading should have a page on TMBW! (I admittedly skimmed your initial message and would've pointed out Linnell didn't write the story if I caught it.) -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
−	"We are working on a rarities comp of the listenable stuff left off Join Us."	+	== Collections & Upcoming Attendance stopgap fix ==
−	!!!!!!!!!! --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 04:51, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+
−	:I'm an idiot, but didn't he say this would be released as a podcast? --[[User:Suziessoliloquy|༺𝄞𝄆Ⓠⓤⓔⓛ⎈Ⓓⓞⓜⓜⓐⓖⓔ𝄇༻]] 05:42, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+
−	::He said it in response to someone asking about rarities being posted as a podcast, but I don't think he would describe a podcast as a "comp." I'm taking it to mean a physical CD. (Though hearing that stuff even digitally would be exciting.) --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 06:17, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+	When TMBW moved to HTTPS in January, it broke a couple of features including the ability to add/remove albums from Collections and mark yourself as attending future Shows. I put in a few rigs to get these working again today, and we can remove my inline JS mess when [[User:Duke33|Brad]] makes the appropriate tweaks. (I cannot similarly fix Song Ratings, sorry.) -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 18:25, 12 August 2022 (EDT)
−	:::maybe the compilation will be released November 1st. that's when he said we would be able to buy the version of Cloisonné used in the video. --[[User:Nosaj56|Nosaj56]] 07:45, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+	== Anyone know what this is? ==
−	::::At the signing Flans and Linnell did in Cincinnati this week, Flans mentioned that a rarities compilation would be available sometime around December. He didn't give any other specific details, but perhaps this is what he's talking about. We'll just have to wait and see! --[[User:Mosesofthecows|Mosesofthecows]] 18:00, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+	TMBG are credited as music composers... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2099740/ --[[User:ColorOfInfinity|ColorOfInfinity]] ([[User talk:ColorOfInfinity|talk]]) 00:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
−	:::::"Superfueled Freaksickle - '''2011''' No Doubt Theatre"... [[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 23:25, 22 September 2011 (EDT)	+	:Enjoy! https://youtu.be/Y8oXz1ZKeHU -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 00:23, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
−	::::::So, after I asked Flans the question about the rarities podcast, he responded to someone else about ads and all that and he said "We’re actually finishing up a bunch of half-done tracks started during the Join Us sessions. Those songs, along with Tubthumping, some of the live tracks made for the videos and some of the abandoned tracks from Join Us will all be part of a rarities set. Should be out relatively soon" So, I guess that means Tubthumping will actually have a studio version. - [[User:Goodtimes2|Goodtimes2]]	+	== John Flansburgh and Frank Black performance ==
−	::::Mr. Flansburgh has confirmed the release date of the rarities comp as Nov. 1, via Twitter. [[User:Perspixx|Perspixx]] 02:20, 2 October 2011 (EDT)	+	[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMY2Og1icc8&ab_channel=PJalt I found this old video of John F. and Frank Black performing Istanbul] via. Facebook. Couldn't find anything about the venue or the show, but I think it might have taken place on a boat? There was also a mention about a Valentine's Day yacht. They were called the "Ed Krattiger Blues Experience" and they also performed Dirt Bike, but there's no footage of them performing the song online currently. Does anyone have more information about this show? - [[User:Mrsomebodyelse|Mrsomebodyelse]] ([[User talk:Mrsomebodyelse|talk]]) 02:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
−	== Live album ==	+	:Your best bet might be to ask Ed himself - he's got contact info on [http://www.edkrattiger.com/ his website]. Let us know if you find anything else out! -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:49, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
−	For what it's worth, Flansburgh mentioned at the Louisville, KY that a live album will be available in six weeks.  -[[User:thevince|thevince]] September 22 2011	+	==Info Club==
		+	I found a 1996 copy of the Info Club Newsletter with the letter [[1996, November - Hollywood - Flansburgh's Brush with Greatness: Real and Alternate Histories|Flansburgh's Brush with Greatness]].  Can't find any pages for these Info Club newsletters though, was wondering if I should scan and upload for the Wiki's use or if I'm just not looking in the right place.  Typing "info Club" into the search just gives me [[TMBG Info Club Archive/June 1990|TMBG Info Club FAQ]].--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 12:05, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
−	== Major Upgrade for Azure Skin ==	+	:I don't think the wiki generally hosts scans of these sorts of things, but I'd be happy to take it for [http://www.museumofidiots.com/tmbg/ my site]. The wiki does already have a a typed version of what you're talking about, on the [[Letters_From_J_%26_J_Archive|Letters from J&J]] page, but you're absolutely right that this page is hard to find unless you know what you're looking for. Awhile ago I offered to take on the project of getting all this stuff organized/more findable, but then it got pushed to the back burner due to the million other projects I'm working on at any given time. But this is a reminder that it's important and I should bump it up the queue. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 14:39, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
−	I have just deployed a major upgrade/update for the Azure skin (and a few others).  If you see any problems (javascript or site look/feel), please drop a note here, or notify me directly.  Thanks!  --Duke33 17:06, 1 October 2011 (EDT)	+	== Rarities collection ==
−	:It's probably not related to the azure update, but the page for 'File:300x250 iTunes TMBG 052107.jpg' doesn't display the image, and neither does the page for [[The Else]]. It happens on monobook, too. (FireFox 7.1, Win XP)--[[User:Oldpinebox|Oldpinebox]] 19:03, 7 October 2011 (EDT)	+	I heard a while back that they might be giants may be working on a rarities collection, like the EP songs, mrs train ext. Is this true? or was I mistaken. sep 16 2022 Pinata time
−	== Gadgets? Asbestos? ==	+	:Flansburgh hinted on a KMSU interview last year (on Nov 19, 2021) that a vinyl compilation of Elektra B-sides and remixes is potentially in the works. No talk of it since then, but he also announced Mink Car on vinyl was coming on that interview and it did shortly after. To my understanding, TMBG has the rights to rerelease their Elektra material including the out-of-print '90s EPs but hasn't gotten to it yet. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 16:55, 16 September 2022 (EDT)
−	What's with the weird links on the main page where the tag line should go? Is this spam? [[User:Entropy|Entropy]]	+	== Another Alice Cooper reference?==
−	:I think so. That kind of stuff is abnormal enough to be spam. I deleted it. :) {{User:Buzzmusic100/sig}}	+	Anyone ever note the similarities between Rat Patrol & Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies? The dynamics, guitar solos, & singing style (sort of) are a little uncanny.  The lyrics not so much, other than they are a bit creepy. Another nod to the Godfather of Shock? Twitter: @timmyjim
−	== Epic Fail Baloney Sandwiches ==	+	== ParticleMen profile photo ==
−	Should there be a page for [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St0yiQARJ3U this?] [[User:SamuelMan36|SamuelMan36]] 20:52, 1 November 2011 (EDT)	+	Does anyone know whose face is on TMBG's profile pic on YouTube? I thought it was [[William Allen White]] at first, but now I'm not so sure. - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	:I would say yes. They did it again last night in Salt Lake City as part of the Avatars of They segment. And speaking of last night in SLC, does anybody have a setlist? I'm surprised it hasn't been posted yet. [[User:Drew|Drew]] 01:37, 6 November 2011 (EDT)	+	It’s New York governor Mario Cuomo! - [[User:FloridaFlamingoGirl|FloridaFlamingoGirl]] [[User talk:FloridaFlamingoGirl|talk]]
−	== John & John "now" pictures ==	+	== Band members past and present ==
−	Those "now" pictures on the Johns' pages are getting a bit old (especially since the flansbeard happened), and since those nice new promo pictures are up, i think we ought to utilise them! i cropped out [http://www.majhost.com/gallery/apollo18/musics/tmbg/wiki/flansburghnow.jpg Flans] and [http://www.majhost.com/gallery/apollo18/musics/tmbg/wiki/linnellnow.jpg Linnell] individually from one of the photos, and i suggest that we use those (or something like those) but at a bit lower resolution. thoughts? -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 21:07, 6 November 2011 (EST)	+
−	:I second this motion. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 21:14, 6 November 2011 (EST)	+	Is there a page on the wiki that lists all of TMBG’s backup members, including ones who no longer work with the band like Dan Hickey, Brian Doherty, and Hal Cragin? I think it would be quite useful if there was one. As of now the [[Band Members]] page only lists the two Johns. -
		+	[[User:FloridaFlamingoGirl|FloridaFlamingoGirl]] [[User talk:FloridaFlamingoGirl|talk]] 14 November 2022, 1:00 PST
−	::could use a bit of croppage, but yeah, i think those are good. --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 21:17, 6 November 2011 (EST)	+	:[[:Category:Backing Band Members|Yes.]] I found this by just looking at the individual page of one of the former members, Dan Hickey, and checking if there was anything listed--this is an easy method if you have a similar question in the future. That said, this could be a case where it's info that could be made more prominent/easy to find. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 04:47, 14 November 2022 (EST)
−	:::[http://i.imgur.com/KUmg5.jpg !] -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 21:56, 6 November 2011 (EST)	+	:Also helpful (though perhaps incomplete) is Wikipedia's {{wp|They_Might_Be_Giants#Timeline|band timeline for TMBG}}. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 08:51, 14 November 2022 (EST)
−	::::Sorry, I just have to take a moment to point out my approval of the above use of BREAKING BAD MACROS. (But yes, I approve of the new photos of the Johns too!) -[[User:J-Gatz|J-Gatz]]	+	::Honestly the entire WP page needs a makeover, specifically the last paragraph. It's all over the place.--[[User:You&Me!!|You&Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&Me!!|talk]]) 09:18, 14 November 2022 (EST)
−	== Pencil Rain ==	+	:::I would much rather go on TMBW than Wikipedia to learn anything about TMBG. Last I checked, the Wikipedia page for them made John Henry and Mink Car out to be massive failures that tarnished the band's career. -FloridaFlamingoGirl
−	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6qKJRariY {{User:JasonDeLima/sig}} 12:50, 14 November 2011 (EST)	+	::::That's based on critic reviews for John Henry and Mink Car (although beloved by fans), were not rated highly by critics upon release. [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 12:41, 15 November 2022 (EST)
		+	:::::It also lists a one-star The Guardian review of The Spine, but based on a review of a live show I think The Guardian just has a problem with TMBG in general. --[[User:ColorOfInfinity|ColorOfInfinity]] ([[User talk:ColorOfInfinity|talk]]) 00:37, 16 November 2022 (EST)
−	== Piano tabs/sheet music/chords? ==	+	== What is “Negative Ad”? ==
−	I think something regarding piano tabs for songs would be very nice.	+	Seriously. Is it a new song? Is it a vibe report? An announcement? I need to know! - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	this [[User:SamuelMan36|SamuelMan36]] 19:06, 15 November 2011 (EST)	+	It was a cute 28-second video that advertised TMBG’s tour in the style of a political attack ad. -FloridaFlamingoGirl
−	:For melodic songs and piano-y songs, a piano tab would be helpful. :) --[[User:Buzzmusic100|Buzzmusic100]] 19:36, 15 November 2011 (EST)	+	== We Are Meh! ==
		+	I saw that on TMBG's Youtube, they posted an official audio entitled: We Are Meh. Is this a rarity or an unreleased track? In the description it said that it was for a website. If anyone can research on this song, that would be awesome, and if anyone could make a page for it that would be awesome as well! [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Bluecanaryalex]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 11:44, 1 December 2022 (EST)
−	:unlike the vast majority of the guitar/bass/drum tabs we have, piano tabs would be incredibly subjective and open to individual interpretation.  there'd be constant editing due to disagreements and differing opinions, etc.  while there are exceptions (e.g. dead, december/may), in general i don't believe this to be a very viable namespace.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 19:43, 15 November 2011 (EST)	+	:It's had a page for seven years: [[Meh (We Are Meh)]] -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 13:21, 1 December 2022 (EST)
−	==Article in The Washington Post==	+	::Oh! I never knew, LMAOOO [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Bluecanaryalex]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 14:10, 1 December 2022 (EST)
−	Good afternoon.	+	:::Category:Songs[https://tmbw.net/wiki/Category:Songs] and the search bar can be very helpful! [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 11:54, 2 December 2022 (EST)
−		+
−	Just wanted to let you all know that They appeared in the Sunday Style section of The Washington Post. The article should be on the Post's website by now. A friend of a friend that I know happened to write the article for the Post and also interviewed the Johns by telephone. That friend says that she will probably give me a MP3 of the interview, but I doubt that I will be able to share it. If I am, however, you guys will be the first to hear it. Thanks.	+
−	--[[User:Sargon|Sargon]]-- 16:05, 20 November 2011 (EST)	+	== Danny's Birthday ==
		+	Happy 59th birthday, Mr. Weinkauf! The wikians wish you a very happy birthday :) [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Bluecanaryalex]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 11:19, 4 December 2022 (EST)
−	:That article actually went up on Friday. I linked to it in Current Events but it got taken down. I think it is actually much better-written than a lot of articles we see about TMBG lately. It's [http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/they-might-be-giants-still-at-large/2011/11/11/gIQAGMlGYN_story.html here] if anyone wants to see it. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 20:29, 20 November 2011 (EST)	+	== puppet jam article moves  ==
−	== They Might Be Superheroes ==	+	fyi, recently a bunch of puppet jam articles were moved to pages with the "puppet jam: " prefix in the title, but the lyrics/interp/credits/etc. pages were not moved along with them. i keep thinking "oh i'll do it" and then forget --[[User:Ncrecc|Ncrecc]] ([[User talk:Ncrecc|talk]]) 17:47, 9 December 2022 (EST)
		+	:Done. - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/11/30/the-line-it-is-drawn-68-superfy-em/ The Line it is Drawn], a weekly feature at ComicBookResources has artists' renderings of what certain famous people would be like as Superheroes, and the Johns have been included! How awesome is that?	+	== homestar links ==
		+	Should we make interwiki links for homestarrunner.com, like we do for Youtube? - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
		+	:I think we should! You might have to ask Jon about it, though, since I have no clue. [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Ms. Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 13:43, 27 January 2023 (EST)
−	--	+	==Tiny Toons and Birdhouse==
−	BigMike20X6	+	It's the anniversary of the Tiny Toons music videos! It's also the anniversary of the [[Birdhouse In Your Soul]] single! [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Ms. Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 07:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)
		+	==Coraline==
		+	Happy birthday to one of my favorite movies, Coraline! I adore the [[Other Father Song]] and the movie itself. [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Ms. Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 07:43, 6 February 2023 (EST)
−	==EMERGENCY MINK CAR UPDATE!==	+	==TMBW's Birthday==
		+	Happy birthday to TMBW!! [[User:Mrs.Xcitement|Mrs.Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Mrs.Xcitement|talk]]) 11:12, 25 February 2023 (EST)
−	Attention all great users of TMBW!!! Mink Car is now available for download on iTunes!!! Go forth and purchase it!	+	==Pesky ampersands==
		+	There's a formatting problem with show pages where the venue has an ampersand in its name. Check out [[Shows/2008-03-08|this show]] at Hal & Mal's in Jackson, MS, or as it renders on the page, "Hal & Mal's." Clicking through on the venue from the show page goes to a broken link, since the URL only gets the "Hal" bit. I tried changing the ampersand to & on the 2008 page, but that makes it worse, turning the venue on the show page into "Hal &amp&#59; Mal's." Yikes! This is also an issue for 4th & B in San Diego, e.g. [[Shows/1999-09-24|here]]. --[[User:Octoflange|Octoflange]] ([[User talk:Octoflange|talk]]) 01:54, 2 March 2023 (EST)
−	Go!	+	::i saw pesky ampersands and i thought you were talking about me :'( --[[User:You&Me!!|You&Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&Me!!|talk]])
−	--[[User:Sargon|Sargon]]-- 16:24, 3 December 2011 (EST)	+	:Thanks for noticing this bug! Just added a little rule to the Show Page template that should fix this. Let me know if you see any other issues with the change, as it's always possible a modification like this could inadvertently introduce other bugs. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:22, 2 March 2023 (EST)
−	== The Flansburgh House ==	+	::Thanks for fixing! Here's a related issue... From the page for "[[Women & Men]]," if I click on the link for the song rating breakdown, the URL breaks after "Women" ([https://tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/Special:RatingsBreakdown?articleName=Women_&_Men like so]). --[[User:Octoflange|Octoflange]] ([[User talk:Octoflange|talk]]) 03:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)
−	:Not sure if this is worthy of the main page since there was already a similar article earlier in the year, but there is a nice piece on the preservation of Flansburgh's childhood home in today's New York Times, that includes a picture of his mom with the house. It is [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/us/new-england-moves-to-preserve-a-more-recent-heritage.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=earl%20flansburgh&st=cse here] for anyone interested. --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 11:54, 4 December 2011 (EST)	+	== IFC 2023 ==
−	== Horse With No Name ==	+	Does anyone know when IFC 2023 will be? And on that note, what is the general price for IFC subscriptions? Thanks! — '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	The AV Club has posted a live video of the AV Club performing [[A Horse With No Name]] with TMBG. Check it:  [http://www.avclub.com/articles/they-might-be-giants-the-av-club-cover-horse-with,66259/ avclub.com]	+	:No one knows except TMBG. There are usually 2 or 3 price tiers for IFC, with the first one coming in at $99 or lower. Here is the last offering from 2020 [https://web.archive.org/web/20200731073615/https://tmbgifc.com/ on archive.org] for reference. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 19:51, 15 March 2023 (EDT)
−	== already??? ==	+	:At tonight's show JL took some pictures with one of his 3-D cameras and explained that they were attempting to create Viewmaster reels for the next offering, but he also admitted it might totally not work. (This does not directly answer your question, but I'm sharing anyway because a) it's tangentially related and b) it would be supercool if they did manage to pull it off.) --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 01:58, 16 March 2023 (EDT)
−	"[https://twitter.com/#!/tmbg/status/147468154782748673 @tmbg] 2012. New tour. Then a new album. What a great world we get to live in." if this isn't a cryptic indication of a new album for [[2012]], then i don't know what is. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 19:15, 15 December 2011 (EST)	+
−	:Holy crap. Like, wow. Don't look too cryptic to me, though. <font face = "Courier New, Courier, Avant Garde, Webdings">~ [[User:Veggieman|veg]][[User talk:Veggieman|gie]][[Special:Contributions/Veggieman|man]]</font> 20:59, 15 December 2011 (EST)	+
−	:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 22:31, 15 December 2011 (EST)	+	==Apollo 18==
		+	HAPPY BDAY APOLLO 18!!! >_< [[User:Mrs.Xcitement|Mrs.Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Mrs.Xcitement|talk]]) 12:56, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
−	::Go boys go! ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]] 22:41, 15 December 2011 (EST)	+	== Megaphone pic ==
−	:::I imagine it's probably either a children's album or a live album. Wasn't there something about an "Avatars of They album" for 2012 in a newsletter a while back? [[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 19:05, 6 January 2012 (EST)	+	You know that image of the Johns speaking into megaphones? They've been using that photo ''a lot'' on their social medias, and I'm wondering. Where did that image come from? &mdash; '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
−	== Here Come the 123s DVD Being Gold ==	+	:It came from a publicity photo session with photographer Sam Graff. I believe those photos began debuting in late 2019, initially around the release of the song "[[Social Media]]." -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:58, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
−	Slight problem with this bit of info: there <i>is</i> no <i>Here Come the 123s</i> DVD. For that release there was only the combo release of CD and DVD <i>together</i>. I was pretty sure about this but I just double-checked with our resident walking TMBG discography encyclopedia, aka Ant, and he confirms it, and there's nothing here on the wiki. I don't know how there could be a secret one that managed to sell 500,000 copies so, yeh, I'm pretty sure this is wrong. (I've never heard of a DVD getting a status like gold, anyway I thought that was just for records, but I <i>could</i> be wrong about that.) Not sure if Danny misspoke and was talking about the album itself or what. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 04:05, 19 December 2011 (EST)	+	==Hooray!!==
		+	Hooray! It's Marty's birthday!! [[User:LowRiseJeans|LowRiseJeans]] ([[User talk:LowRiseJeans|talk]]) 12:10, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
−	I agree with your assessment.  I think we can reasonably assume that the whole album is gold.  --Duke33 12:25, 19 December 2011 (EST)	+	==password reset==
		+	password reset seems broken; i requested a password reset and never got one --[[Special:Contributions/96.230.216.95|96.230.216.95]] 21:38, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
−	== Accordion help! ==	+	==Shows that happened today==
		+	Was thinking if instead of just "nothing important happened in TMBG history, there could be a link to "these shows happened today in TMBG history"  Just a thought.  Still chewing on it in my head.--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 09:24, 8 May 2024 (EDT)
−	Any tips for trying to figure out how to play TMBG songs on accordion?? I just can't figure out some of the chords.	+	==Dan Miller collaborates with William Shatner on new Shatner album==
−	:here on the wiki, even though the pages are called "guitar tab", most of them just have chord lettering. you can play these chords on either end of the accordion. accordion bass is tuned in fifths, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Acchords.png here's a map] to get you started. also, practice a lot. and have fun!	+	I don't have time to research the details at the moment, but I'm not seeing any mention of it here, so I wanted to give everyone a heads up that, according to the album's Bandcamp page (click on "Purchase Info" in the app), as well as William Shatner's recent interview with Adam Corolla, Shatner's new children's album, Where Will the Animals Sleep?, was "created in collaboration with longtime guitarist for They Might Be Giants, Dan Miller." The album doesn't have a Discogs page yet, but I hear Dan on backing vocals, and I assume he plays some guitar, at the very least, as well. The Bandcamp page has some images of the CD booklet, so you may be able to see more details there, though most of it was too small for me to make out on my phone. I assume at the very least this info should be added to the news section? [[User:Drew|Drew]] ([[User talk:Drew|talk]])
−	== fs vinyl ==	+	:This is super cool! [[Dan Miller]] is credited as a composer, producer, engineer, and performer, playing instruments and singing. Additionally, [[Marty Beller]] is credited with 'instruments and backing vocals' on "I'm A Coral See In The Coral Sea". Dan had this to say:
−	[http://asbestosrecords.bigcartel.com/product/they-might-be-giants-factory-showroom-lp WHAT] -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 18:26, 9 January 2012 (EST)	+
−	:yeah i'm gonna wait a while to add that shit to /rd.  fs wtf.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 18:32, 9 January 2012 (EST)	+
−	::According to this post, it looks like a double LP is in the works for [[John Henry]] as well:  [http://vinylcollective.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=72284&page=1#1167719] --Duke33 12:33, 10 January 2012 (EST)	+	::"I would like to thank Bill and Rob for their incredibly satisfying creativity and work. It's a joy to work with such talented and passionate people. Annette and Piper get the biggest thank you and love for putting up with me during this process and providing inspiration and support - I'm often a mess. Evan and Adam did amazing work and have my eternal thanks. Additional thanks go out to Marty Beller for the great song and Danny Weinkauf for just being great. Thanks to Cleopatra Records for their support and for keeping independent labels a living thing - amazing!"
−	:::It looks like they are starting where they left off, and if it goes well they are going to keep going, presumably until The Else (unless they are planning to do the kids albums too). Either way, I'm hoping they re-release Apollo 18 too, because it's hard to get. Also, I'm saving my money for these. --[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 20:43, 10 January 2012 (EST)	+	:I feel like the album is borderline deserving of a TMBW page since both Dan and Marty are on the album and [[Danny Weinkauf|Danny]] is specially thanked. Up to the admins I suppose. [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 12:55, 19 May 2024 (EDT)
−	::::I was able to get some more info. The LPs are being mastered by Dave Eck from Lucky Lacquers, and are being pressed by Rainbo. Factory Showroom is coming first, with John Henry coming later in the year. Also, they are unfortunately being pressed from CDs, but they are copies of the (likely 16/48k digital) master, and are not the retail versions. Factory Showroom is coming out in March, and John Henry in the summer.--[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 21:58, 10 January 2012 (EST)	+	== TMBG Lemmy Community ==
−	:::::I wonder if Token Back to Brooklyn is going to be on it? I would think not, since it's not on the iTunes version, but maybe there's a sneaky way to hide it on the record. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Comic Sans MS;">[[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]]</span> 14:18, 16 January 2012 (EST)	+	I'm currently on Lemmy (startrek.website, to be exact). I was wondering whether there were any other fediverse people on this wiki and whether they'd be interested in started one. My instance doesn't allow starting new communities (as it is Star Trek-focused), so someone else would need to lets start it.
−	::::::The only way to hide it on the record would be to put it after a locked groove (like the hidden sound at the end of Radiohead's Kid A) but that would require some serious cutting expertise, and I would rather have less time per side as to have a better quality LP. Besides, if it is NOT on the Factory Showroom LP, then that might increase our chances of seeing a Long Tall Weekend re-release on vinyl (if you think Til My Head Falls Off and I Can Hear You would be awesome on vinyl, just imagine Lullabye to Nightmares and Edison Museum). --[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 23:31, 17 January 2012 (EST)	+	Update: I went off and started my own, [https://lemmy.world/c/tmbl This Might Be Lemmy!].
−	:::::::[http://tmbw.net/wiki/Edisongs Actually, Edison Museum is already on vinyl.] --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 00:28, 18 January 2012 (EST)	+	== Proposing massive overhaul to 1983-1985 demo titles ==
−	::::::::Yeah, but it's not exactly the same recording. It ''is'' a longer version of the same recording, though, which means you're technically right, I guess, but it's also nearly impossible to find. Just sayin'. -[[User:Drew|Drew]] 02:41, 6 February 2012 (EST)	+	Hi TMBW, I'm proposing a big change to remove the numbers and years off of various demo titles (eg. 1985 Demo, Demo 1, Demo 2) and replace them with more descriptive titles, such as "[[It's Not My Birthday (Lincoln Demo)]]" or "[[Finished With Lies (Nicolo Demo)]]". This mostly applies to TMBG's demos recorded between 1983 to 1985 that appeared on their demo tapes and will hopefully make the chronology tabs for these demos less messy, as well as fit with the overall theme of the rest of the demo pages, seeing as there's no "[[Snowball In Hell (Demo)|Snowball In Hell (1986 Demo)]]", "[[On The Drag (Demo)|On The Drag (1996 Demo)]]" or "[[She's Actual Size (Demo 1)|She's Actual Size (1991 Demo 1)]]".
		+	I typed up some potential titles for these pages to be moved to, as well as the merging of some of the promotional demos, similarly to how "[[I'm Def]]" has two 1985 mixes but has only one page:<br>
−	::::::::::Yes, "Token Back To Brooklyn" is on the LP, after about a minute of silence after "The Bells Are Ringing". --[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 11:05, 2 April 2012 (EDT)	+	[[Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 1)]] → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Butler Demo?) (Bill Krauss Demo?) (Handclap Demo?) (DMX Demo?) (Promotional Demo?)<br>
		+	[[Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 2)]] → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Promotional Demo) <br>
		+	[[Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 3)]] → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo)<br>
−	looks like it was definitely sourced from CD masters.  loads of compression, and the spectrals have nothing but traces above ~24khz.  combined with the extra generations the sound is going through, it is objectively worse than the cd.  (also it just sounds flat and lifeless to me).  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 17:21, 5 April 2012 (EDT)	+	[[Number Three (1984 Demo)]] → Number Three (Demo)<br>
		+	(Merge [[Number Three (1985 Demo)|1985 Demo]] into the album page since it’s a different mix of the same recording)<br>
−	:I think you're being a little harsh. It's cut quiet, and it's certainly a "warm" sounding master, but it's beyond listenable and the bass has a pretty decent punch. On a brighter cartridge like the AT-440MLA I could see this having a lot of energy. And I don't think that it's too terribly compressed at all, the drums still punch nicely. Also, the actual quality of the pressing is better than Join Us (although not nearly as good as The Else), and there's no sibilance or other nasty distortions. And not being hi-rez is no surprise, the album was mixed directly to DAT, it never existed in a higher resolution. Overall, although I would recommend they master with a bit more treble next time, I'm still going to spin this regularly. And I'll buy whatever represses they come out with.	+	[[Don't Let's Start (1985 Demo)]] → Don’t Let’s Start (Demo)<br>
−	:BTW, how is the original Apollo 18? I'll never be able to afford one... --[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 19:37, 13 April 2012 (EDT)	+
−	::[http://anterrobang.org/screens/headtestrip.png this] looks like an awful lot of compression.  also there is quite a bit of inherent surface noise, which is just sad.  i agree the manufacturing is in the realm of join us, but that's not really a compliment.  a18 sounds pretty stellar, it's worth the investment.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 20:05, 13 April 2012 (EDT)	+
−	:::I think that surface noise such as dust might just be more apparent because of the quiet cutting. I cleaned mine first, and the vinyl itself isn't that noisy at all. Not as dead silent as The Else, but better than some other vinyl I've purchased recently. BTW, [http://i.imgur.com/6jNBG.png here's] what Spiraling Shape looks like on my rip, (CD [http://i.imgur.com/f4b5t.png here]). Audition/Soundbooth does a pretty bad job of showing drum hits in the waveform. I mean, the thing is no 180 gram Steve Hoffman mastered revelation, but for TMBG on vinyl I'll take what I can get. The one album that badly needs a good remaster is The Spine, though. The CD sounds so awful. Also, thanks for telling me about Apollo 18, I'd love to own it, but considering a re-issue is in the works it's currently 3rd on my "must own" cue (behind Soul Coughing's "El Oso" and My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless") --[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 22:31, 13 April 2012 (EDT)	+
−	== Spider sampled ==	+	[[You'll Miss Me (Demo 1)]] → You’ll Miss Me (Flexi Demo)<br>
−	Spider is sampled about 3:00 into this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQtWY-ZxFTw --[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 22:50, 11 January 2012 (EST)	+	[[You'll Miss Me (Demo 2)]] → You’ll Miss Me (Demo)<br>
−	== magnet guest editors ==	+	[[Cowtown (1985 Demo 1)]] → Cowtown (Promotional Demo)<br>
−	though it is perhaps not exactly current events material, John Linnell was a guest editor on the Magnet magazine blog yesterday, and he put up a really neat video about deep space exploration from 2009's TED. Here's the [http://www.magnetmagazine.com/2009/12/15/they-might-be-guest-editors-carolyn-porco/ thing]! -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 15:54, 16 January 2012 (EST)	+	[[Cowtown (1985 Demo 2)]] → Cowtown (Demo)<br>
−	:Further proof that John Linnell is the most ADORABLE/NERDY PERSON EVER TO EXIST. (Because, you know, that has not been documented enough yet.) --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 00:31, 18 January 2012 (EST)	+	[[Chess Piece Face (1985 Demo)]] → Chess Piece Face (Demo)<br>
−	:well apparently this was just from the thing they did in 2009—i was mislead by a tweet of carolyn's, and i guess i didn't notice the date. WOOPS. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 23:09, 19 January 2012 (EST)	+
−	== WMNF ==	+	[[Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1984 Demo)]] → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Promotional Demo)<br>
		+	[[Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo)]] → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Home Demo) [since it’s a solo Flansburgh recording]<br>
		+	[[Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1985 Demo)]] → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Demo)<br>
		+	[[Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1985 Promotional Demo)]] → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Sampler Demo)<br>
		+	[since promo tape #2 is also titled “TMBG Album Sampler”, it could also be merged into the 1985 demo tape version since it’s a different mix with extra overdubs]<br>
−	I'm at work, so i can't check it right now.  Can someone else check, and see if TMBG was on [http://www.wmnf.org/programs/377 this recording] of WMNF's afternoon show?  --Duke33 12:34, 8 February 2012 (EST)	+	[[(She Was A) Hotel Detective (1985 Demo)]] → (She Was A) Hotel Detective (Demo)<br>
−	:that's what the [[Shows/2012-02-07a|2012-02-07a]] page is... --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 12:58, 8 February 2012 (EST)	+
−	::Ah, I hadn't seen that page yet.  --Duke33 13:46, 8 February 2012 (EST)	+
−	== WNRN appearance ==	+	[[Hell Hotel (1983 Demo)]] → Hell Hotel (Original Demo) [since it appeared on the band's [[1983 Demo Tape|original demo]]]<br>
−	Did anybody snag this appearance yesterday? It was already over by the time I woke up. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 23:26, 17 February 2012 (EST)	+	[[Hell Hotel (1984 Demo)]] → Hell Hotel (Demo)<br>
−	:It's up on their site now.  Pretty long set, and it was good.  The only bad thing was that the DJ kept goofing on Linnell's name and the name of the songs.  --Duke33 10:26, 18 February 2012 (EST)	+
−	== New "song"? ==	+	[[Nothing's Going To Change My Clothes]] → Nothing’s Gonna Change My Clothes (Demo)<br>
		+	[the [[Nothing's Gonna Change My Clothes (Promotional Demo)|promo version]] could be merged into this page into this page since it’s the same recording but a different mix]<br>
−	They just posted this today...should we make a new song page for it? What would the title be? "Hey Man, I Saw Your Band"? It's more like an announcement than a song, especially with Linnell's narration near the end. Also, there's a bizarre less-than-one-second image of two chihuahuas in there. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfPN5ONYl58&feature=player_embedded] --[[User:MisterMe|MisterMe]] 17:02, 29 February 2012 (EST)	+	[[They Might Be Giants (Song) (1984 Demo)|They Might Be Giants (1984 Demo)]] → They Might Be Giants (Promotional Demo?) (Original Demo?)<br>
		+	[[They Might Be Giants (Song) (1985 Demo)|They Might Be Giants (1985 Demo)]] → They Might Be Giants (Demo)<br>
		+	[Could also merge these two together since it’s the same recording but different mixes]<br>
−	== A show with O We as the theme! ==	+	[[Everything Right Is Wrong (1984 Demo)]] → Everything Right Is Wrong Again (Demo?) (Promotional Demo?)<br>
		+	[[Everything Right Is Wrong]] → Everything Right Is Wrong Again (Demo?) (Flexi Demo?)<br>'''
−	Figured this was noteworthy - I live in Southern Vermont and there's a television show here with "O We" as the theme and with a couple TMBG references. It's pretty funny too: [http://www.youtube.com/user/truthorsandwiches]	+	I'm hoping to get some opinions on this change and whether or not it'll be more beneficial for site readers, as the original page titles have stood untouched for years on this site. Thank you. − [[User:Mrsomebodyelse|Mrsomebodyelse]] ([[User talk:Mrsomebodyelse|talk]]) 01:53, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
		+	:it's funny that you propose this because the page titles were in fact originally more in line with that. the reason we switched is as we learned more about different tapes over the years the more cumbersome the descriptive names became. pages would have to be moved with every discovery. what's more, with the explosion of tapes we've learned about in the past 5 years or so, the band's lack of intentionality with these releases has become starkly apparent, which imo makes giving certain descriptive names rather arbitrary. e.g. we used to have a page <nowiki>[[You'll Miss Me (Flexi-Disc Version)]]</nowiki>; since then we've discovered that it also appears on two tapes, at least one of which probably(?) predates the flexi — thus tagging it with flexi/wiggle/whatever feels wrong. likewise, tacking "promotional" onto page titles that are already quite lengthy seems like unnecessary baggage.
		+	:i do strongly feel that the current system of years and/or numbers is the way to go. that said, i think there is definitely room for improvement within the system, but it should be dealt with a case by case basis. (for example i can see the argument for the two clothes demos being merged. but then what makes an edition of a song page-worthy? edits? mixes? that feels like an entirely different, very exhausting discussion with no clear answer). —{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 03:04, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
		+	:I do agree that the current system does have its flaws. It can require assuming the year and chronology of demos (though these details are still required elsewhere on the infoboxes and chronology pages, so assumptions still have to made with some demos regardless). Theres multiple tracks titled "1985 Demo" that were actually recorded in 1984. I however do not know about this proposed system. I'm fine with them being named after how the demos were recorded or what they recorded for, but I dont think pages should be named for what they ended up being released through when thats not what they were recorded for. There's already pages like this on the wiki, such as [[Hell Hotel (Podcast Demo)]], [[Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo)]], [[Don't Let's Start (WFMU Demo)]], and [[On The Drag (IFC Demo)]], which were obviously not made for the podcast, Bill Krauss Demos, WFMU, and IFC respectively. I also not sure if any of these 1985 demos should be referred to as "promotional". Not sure if they were made specifically for those tapes or not.− [[User:Hailey821|Hailey821]] ([[User talk:Hailey821|talk]]) 07:47, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
		+	:Yeah, I would like to add that I'm not a fan of calling demos "Podcast Demo" or "WFMU Demo" or "IFC Demo". These are clearly not what the demos were recorded for, but rather they just happened to be released via these platforms. In my personal collection I have these songs titled differently. [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 11:48, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
−	==Source?==	+	::I'm really liking the idea of having the demos be named after what they were recorded for, but I'm realizing as I've read these that this might actually be a much bigger discussion than I originally thought since it extends sorta beyond the '83-'85 demos that I proposed. I would like to go about modifying these changes in a way that makes everyone happy (including me), but I'm curious to know whether or not this change would be better for the site or make it even more confusing than it may already be before I suggest some more ideas. − [[User:Mrsomebodyelse|Mrsomebodyelse]] ([[User talk:Mrsomebodyelse|talk]]) 17:20, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
−	Can someone give the source to this news? (March 5, 2012):	+
−	"Asbestos Records has announced that they will be pressing vinyl copies of Flood and Apollo 18 this year!"	+
−	--[[User:Yamfox|Yamfox]] 19:16, 5 March 2012 (EST)	+
−	:Looks like that information was posted here, on their FB page. https://www.facebook.com/AsbestosRecords/posts/10150588957492322 -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 21:38, 5 March 2012 (EST)	+	== Malcolm in the Middle turns 25 tomorrow!!! ==
−	== older live shows download gone for good? ==	+	Just wanted to announce because I'm super excited!!!! I know I'm a day early, but I'm super forgetful and I would have forgotten if I didn't put this up.
−		+
−	so going through a TMBG phase again and there's a lot to catch up on.  Through the wonders of google I found this page http://www.theymightbegiants.com/archived-shows/ but all the links go to theymightbedownloads.com which doesn't exist anymore.  Did these files get moved to somewhere else and just didn't get updated?  I'm assuming these are the same shows that they were selling online a few years back.	+
−		+
−	Why hasn't anyone made a site for the stumpbox disks yet, been looking for those for at least 15 years now with no luck.	+
−	:those shows are no longer available to purchase, and i believe [[User:Duke33|brad]] spoke with the band's management, which stated they would probably not be available in the future, either. as far as stumpbox goes, i know [[User:Selfcallednowhere|quinn]] has asked about hosting the files on her site and gotten a firm "no". (there are some other neat things on her site, though, like radio appearances and a few cool shows and you can find those [http://www.museumofidiots.com/john/mp3s/ here].) you might find stumpbox somewhere if you ask around in other facets of the tmbg fandom, but i think there's a rule against posting links to that sort of material uploaded to filesharing websites on tmbw. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 15:43, 7 March 2012 (EST)	+
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−	== Azure ==	+
−		+
−	Where has the time went? Can everyone believe that our Azure skin is 5 years old today???  --Duke33 16:01, 17 March 2012 (EDT)	+
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−	==TV Stuff==	+
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−	Couple of recent media appearances that were pretty cool: last week, when Bruce Springsteen was on Jimmy Fallon, The Roots played "Boss of Me" as his walk-on music (never thought I'd hear the Roots cover TMBG, but here you go!). Also, "Robot Parade" played during the end credits of last night's Simpsons. --[[User:Oddjob|Oddjob]] 11:49, 19 March 2012 (EDT)	+
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−	== Apollo 18 interactive fiction tribute ==	+
−		+
−	weird thing that a lot of people put a lot of work into, probably doesn't belong on the front page but seems good anyway: http://pr-if.org/event/apollo-18/	+
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−	== Official Discussion for "This Day in TMBG History" TMBW Project ==	+
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−	Hi guys! If you follow @tmbg on Twitter, you may have spotted some busyness earlier today about a "Today in TMBG" project for TMBW when John Flansburgh came up with the idea...	+
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−	''Discussion moved to '''[[Talk:This Day In TMBG History]]'''!'' -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:40, 27 April 2012 (EDT)	+
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−	== four whole seconds ==	+
−	let's call this edit [http://yfrog.com/0jy3sz "archival"] -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 15:47, 8 May 2012 (EDT)	+
−	:in other news: "[https://twitter.com/#!/tmbg/status/200031873634795520 They Might Be Giants ‏@tmbg] Today's studio totals: three songs tracked. seven cups of coffee consumed." (that was fast) -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 21:28, 8 May 2012 (EDT)	+
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−	== What's this? ==	+
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−	http://tmbg.com/files/Untitled.m4a It appears to be from November. <font face = "Courier New, Courier, Avant Garde, Webdings">~ [[User:Veggieman|veg]][[User talk:Veggieman|gie]][[Special:Contributions/Veggieman|man]]</font> 21:25, 9 May 2012 (EDT)	+
−	:iirc it was something that was posted on twitter, but i could be wrong cause i don't use twitter and heard about it secondhand.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 21:29, 9 May 2012 (EDT)	+
−	::ant is right about that, just something from twitter; flans and someone else singing "crocodile rock" or something. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 21:33, 9 May 2012 (EDT)	+
−	:::The "someone else" is Joco IIRC. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 21:48, 9 May 2012 (EDT)	+
−	::::It is indeed Jonathan Coulton, and they were singing in the van while Coulton was driving the two of them to the John Hodgman show in Seattle that night. -[[User:J-Gatz|J-Gatz]] 14:59, 10 May 2012 (EDT)	+

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Shows with multiple posters[edit]

I'm sorting through my big ol' pile of miscellaneous TMBG stuff I need to sort through and came across a show poster, but the show already has a different poster uploaded. I'm sure there must be some way to include both but I'm not sure how that works with the template. It's actually an early show/late show situation so I suppose one poster could be linked to the early and one to the late, but neither of them are actually specific to either. If it matters I will also add that the one I have is a smaller flier sort of thing, and I vaguely remember some discussion at some point about posters vs. fliers vs. small listings in newspapers, but I don't recall what if any conclusions were ever reached. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

Collection feature[edit]

It seems that the collection feature has been broken since January. Every time I try to add something to my collection, the button just disappears. Does anyone know what's going on? -Cf20936

Code is broken. Cap has already alerted one of the coding moderators of it.--You&Me!! (talk) 14:53, 10 May 2022 (EDT)

new version of file problem[edit]

I’m having problems with uploading new versions of files. I tried to upload a new version of TMBGApp2.png and it just uploaded a stretched-out version of the same image.

I tried the same thing with Beatles.jpg and on the The Beatles article, it displays the same image, but on the file page, it displays the image I uploaded. What’s happening?? - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

Your browser doesn't realize there's a new file at the same URL as the previous image it already loaded. Just need to do a cache refresh to see the new image come through. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 09:54, 15 May 2022 (EDT)

Flansy Accident[edit]

According to a post by Linnell to the Facebook page, Flansy was in a car accident last night on the way home from the concert, breaking seven ribs. https://www.facebook.com/theymightbegiants--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

Photographer??[edit]

Hold on, is Linnell a photographer? I always assumed that there were two people named John Linnell, one an awesome very-talented songwriter, and the other a photographer, but now I'm starting to think they're the same guy. Somebody please clarify because I am very confused. - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

TMBG Linnell is an outspoken camera enthusiast and enjoys taking photos, but I don't think there's any famous photographer named John Linnell. There is an 18th century painter with the same name. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 21:49, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door[edit]

in 2004, an audiobook named "Men and Cartoons" was published, a collection of short stories, with one being by john linnell. "The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door" is 22 minutes of john linnell narrating his own original short story (with the first 1:30 having music). it is also available on museumofidiots.com. there is hardly any information about it online anywhere, or any transcription. i think a page on TMBW would be a good place for it, but i want to verify first: would such a page be deleted for not actually being music (at least, past the first 1:30)? --Ncrecc (talk) 09:34, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

It should definitely have a TMBW page! Just probably not a "song" page. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 10:42, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

on further inspection, it seems that the story actually originates from the print version of men and cartoons, written solely by johnathan lethem, and john linnell's only involvement was narrating the audiobook version. i should probably have deduced that (it is an easy deduction to make) before transcribing the audio... good way to spend half of an hour. --Ncrecc (talk) 12:48, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

In the future, if you're curious or confused about something on my site, just ask me. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

Just following up to say I still think the audiobook reading should have a page on TMBW! (I admittedly skimmed your initial message and would've pointed out Linnell didn't write the story if I caught it.) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 17:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

Collections & Upcoming Attendance stopgap fix[edit]

When TMBW moved to HTTPS in January, it broke a couple of features including the ability to add/remove albums from Collections and mark yourself as attending future Shows. I put in a few rigs to get these working again today, and we can remove my inline JS mess when Brad makes the appropriate tweaks. (I cannot similarly fix Song Ratings, sorry.) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 18:25, 12 August 2022 (EDT)

Anyone know what this is?[edit]

TMBG are credited as music composers... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2099740/ --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 00:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

Enjoy! https://youtu.be/Y8oXz1ZKeHU -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 00:23, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

John Flansburgh and Frank Black performance[edit]

I found this old video of John F. and Frank Black performing Istanbul via. Facebook. Couldn't find anything about the venue or the show, but I think it might have taken place on a boat? There was also a mention about a Valentine's Day yacht. They were called the "Ed Krattiger Blues Experience" and they also performed Dirt Bike, but there's no footage of them performing the song online currently. Does anyone have more information about this show? - Mrsomebodyelse (talk) 02:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

Your best bet might be to ask Ed himself - he's got contact info on his website. Let us know if you find anything else out! -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 10:49, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Info Club[edit]

I found a 1996 copy of the Info Club Newsletter with the letter Flansburgh's Brush with Greatness. Can't find any pages for these Info Club newsletters though, was wondering if I should scan and upload for the Wiki's use or if I'm just not looking in the right place. Typing "info Club" into the search just gives me TMBG Info Club FAQ.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 12:05, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

I don't think the wiki generally hosts scans of these sorts of things, but I'd be happy to take it for my site. The wiki does already have a a typed version of what you're talking about, on the Letters from J&J page, but you're absolutely right that this page is hard to find unless you know what you're looking for. Awhile ago I offered to take on the project of getting all this stuff organized/more findable, but then it got pushed to the back burner due to the million other projects I'm working on at any given time. But this is a reminder that it's important and I should bump it up the queue. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 14:39, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

Rarities collection[edit]

I heard a while back that they might be giants may be working on a rarities collection, like the EP songs, mrs train ext. Is this true? or was I mistaken. sep 16 2022 Pinata time

Flansburgh hinted on a KMSU interview last year (on Nov 19, 2021) that a vinyl compilation of Elektra B-sides and remixes is potentially in the works. No talk of it since then, but he also announced Mink Car on vinyl was coming on that interview and it did shortly after. To my understanding, TMBG has the rights to rerelease their Elektra material including the out-of-print '90s EPs but hasn't gotten to it yet. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 16:55, 16 September 2022 (EDT)

Another Alice Cooper reference?[edit]

Anyone ever note the similarities between Rat Patrol & Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies? The dynamics, guitar solos, & singing style (sort of) are a little uncanny. The lyrics not so much, other than they are a bit creepy. Another nod to the Godfather of Shock? Twitter: @timmyjim

ParticleMen profile photo[edit]

Does anyone know whose face is on TMBG's profile pic on YouTube? I thought it was William Allen White at first, but now I'm not so sure. - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

It’s New York governor Mario Cuomo! - FloridaFlamingoGirl talk

Band members past and present[edit]

Is there a page on the wiki that lists all of TMBG’s backup members, including ones who no longer work with the band like Dan Hickey, Brian Doherty, and Hal Cragin? I think it would be quite useful if there was one. As of now the Band Members page only lists the two Johns. - FloridaFlamingoGirl talk 14 November 2022, 1:00 PST

Yes. I found this by just looking at the individual page of one of the former members, Dan Hickey, and checking if there was anything listed--this is an easy method if you have a similar question in the future. That said, this could be a case where it's info that could be made more prominent/easy to find. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 04:47, 14 November 2022 (EST)

Also helpful (though perhaps incomplete) is Wikipedia's band timeline for TMBG. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 08:51, 14 November 2022 (EST)

Honestly the entire WP page needs a makeover, specifically the last paragraph. It's all over the place.--You&Me!! (talk) 09:18, 14 November 2022 (EST)

I would much rather go on TMBW than Wikipedia to learn anything about TMBG. Last I checked, the Wikipedia page for them made John Henry and Mink Car out to be massive failures that tarnished the band's career. -FloridaFlamingoGirl

That's based on critic reviews for John Henry and Mink Car (although beloved by fans), were not rated highly by critics upon release. TitanicFog (talk) 12:41, 15 November 2022 (EST)

It also lists a one-star The Guardian review of The Spine, but based on a review of a live show I think The Guardian just has a problem with TMBG in general. --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2022 (EST)

What is “Negative Ad”?[edit]

Seriously. Is it a new song? Is it a vibe report? An announcement? I need to know! - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

It was a cute 28-second video that advertised TMBG’s tour in the style of a political attack ad. -FloridaFlamingoGirl

We Are Meh![edit]

I saw that on TMBG's Youtube, they posted an official audio entitled: We Are Meh. Is this a rarity or an unreleased track? In the description it said that it was for a website. If anyone can research on this song, that would be awesome, and if anyone could make a page for it that would be awesome as well! Bluecanaryalex (talk) 11:44, 1 December 2022 (EST)

It's had a page for seven years: Meh (We Are Meh) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 13:21, 1 December 2022 (EST)

Oh! I never knew, LMAOOO Bluecanaryalex (talk) 14:10, 1 December 2022 (EST)

Category:Songs[1] and the search bar can be very helpful! TitanicFog (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2022 (EST)

Danny's Birthday[edit]

Happy 59th birthday, Mr. Weinkauf! The wikians wish you a very happy birthday :) Bluecanaryalex (talk) 11:19, 4 December 2022 (EST)

puppet jam article moves[edit]

fyi, recently a bunch of puppet jam articles were moved to pages with the "puppet jam: " prefix in the title, but the lyrics/interp/credits/etc. pages were not moved along with them. i keep thinking "oh i'll do it" and then forget --Ncrecc (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2022 (EST)

Done. - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

homestar links[edit]

Should we make interwiki links for homestarrunner.com, like we do for Youtube? - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

I think we should! You might have to ask Jon about it, though, since I have no clue. Ms. Xcitement (talk) 13:43, 27 January 2023 (EST)

Tiny Toons and Birdhouse[edit]

It's the anniversary of the Tiny Toons music videos! It's also the anniversary of the Birdhouse In Your Soul single! Ms. Xcitement (talk) 07:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)

Coraline[edit]

Happy birthday to one of my favorite movies, Coraline! I adore the Other Father Song and the movie itself. Ms. Xcitement (talk) 07:43, 6 February 2023 (EST)

TMBW's Birthday[edit]

Happy birthday to TMBW!! Mrs.Xcitement (talk) 11:12, 25 February 2023 (EST)

Pesky ampersands[edit]

There's a formatting problem with show pages where the venue has an ampersand in its name. Check out this show at Hal & Mal's in Jackson, MS, or as it renders on the page, "Hal & Mal's." Clicking through on the venue from the show page goes to a broken link, since the URL only gets the "Hal" bit. I tried changing the ampersand to & on the 2008 page, but that makes it worse, turning the venue on the show page into "Hal &amp&#59; Mal's." Yikes! This is also an issue for 4th & B in San Diego, e.g. here. --Octoflange (talk) 01:54, 2 March 2023 (EST)

i saw pesky ampersands and i thought you were talking about me :'( --You&Me!! (talk)

Thanks for noticing this bug! Just added a little rule to the Show Page template that should fix this. Let me know if you see any other issues with the change, as it's always possible a modification like this could inadvertently introduce other bugs. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 10:22, 2 March 2023 (EST)

Thanks for fixing! Here's a related issue... From the page for "Women & Men," if I click on the link for the song rating breakdown, the URL breaks after "Women" (like so). --Octoflange (talk) 03:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)

IFC 2023[edit]

Does anyone know when IFC 2023 will be? And on that note, what is the general price for IFC subscriptions? Thanks! — HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

No one knows except TMBG. There are usually 2 or 3 price tiers for IFC, with the first one coming in at $99 or lower. Here is the last offering from 2020 on archive.org for reference. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 19:51, 15 March 2023 (EDT)

At tonight's show JL took some pictures with one of his 3-D cameras and explained that they were attempting to create Viewmaster reels for the next offering, but he also admitted it might totally not work. (This does not directly answer your question, but I'm sharing anyway because a) it's tangentially related and b) it would be supercool if they did manage to pull it off.) --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 01:58, 16 March 2023 (EDT)

Apollo 18[edit]

HAPPY BDAY APOLLO 18!!! >_< Mrs.Xcitement (talk) 12:56, 20 March 2023 (EDT)

Megaphone pic[edit]

You know that image of the Johns speaking into megaphones? They've been using that photo a lot on their social medias, and I'm wondering. Where did that image come from? — HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

It came from a publicity photo session with photographer Sam Graff. I believe those photos began debuting in late 2019, initially around the release of the song "Social Media." -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 17:58, 17 April 2023 (EDT)

Hooray!![edit]

Hooray! It's Marty's birthday!! LowRiseJeans (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2023 (EDT)

password reset[edit]

password reset seems broken; i requested a password reset and never got one --96.230.216.95 21:38, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

Shows that happened today[edit]

Was thinking if instead of just "nothing important happened in TMBG history, there could be a link to "these shows happened today in TMBG history" Just a thought. Still chewing on it in my head.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 09:24, 8 May 2024 (EDT)

Dan Miller collaborates with William Shatner on new Shatner album[edit]

I don't have time to research the details at the moment, but I'm not seeing any mention of it here, so I wanted to give everyone a heads up that, according to the album's Bandcamp page (click on "Purchase Info" in the app), as well as William Shatner's recent interview with Adam Corolla, Shatner's new children's album, Where Will the Animals Sleep?, was "created in collaboration with longtime guitarist for They Might Be Giants, Dan Miller." The album doesn't have a Discogs page yet, but I hear Dan on backing vocals, and I assume he plays some guitar, at the very least, as well. The Bandcamp page has some images of the CD booklet, so you may be able to see more details there, though most of it was too small for me to make out on my phone. I assume at the very least this info should be added to the news section? Drew (talk)

This is super cool! Dan Miller is credited as a composer, producer, engineer, and performer, playing instruments and singing. Additionally, Marty Beller is credited with 'instruments and backing vocals' on "I'm A Coral See In The Coral Sea". Dan had this to say:

"I would like to thank Bill and Rob for their incredibly satisfying creativity and work. It's a joy to work with such talented and passionate people. Annette and Piper get the biggest thank you and love for putting up with me during this process and providing inspiration and support - I'm often a mess. Evan and Adam did amazing work and have my eternal thanks. Additional thanks go out to Marty Beller for the great song and Danny Weinkauf for just being great. Thanks to Cleopatra Records for their support and for keeping independent labels a living thing - amazing!"

I feel like the album is borderline deserving of a TMBW page since both Dan and Marty are on the album and Danny is specially thanked. Up to the admins I suppose. TitanicFog (talk) 12:55, 19 May 2024 (EDT)

TMBG Lemmy Community[edit]

I'm currently on Lemmy (startrek.website, to be exact). I was wondering whether there were any other fediverse people on this wiki and whether they'd be interested in started one. My instance doesn't allow starting new communities (as it is Star Trek-focused), so someone else would need to lets start it.

Update: I went off and started my own, This Might Be Lemmy!.

Proposing massive overhaul to 1983-1985 demo titles[edit]

Hi TMBW, I'm proposing a big change to remove the numbers and years off of various demo titles (eg. 1985 Demo, Demo 1, Demo 2) and replace them with more descriptive titles, such as "It's Not My Birthday (Lincoln Demo)" or "Finished With Lies (Nicolo Demo)". This mostly applies to TMBG's demos recorded between 1983 to 1985 that appeared on their demo tapes and will hopefully make the chronology tabs for these demos less messy, as well as fit with the overall theme of the rest of the demo pages, seeing as there's no "Snowball In Hell (1986 Demo)", "On The Drag (1996 Demo)" or "She's Actual Size (1991 Demo 1)". I typed up some potential titles for these pages to be moved to, as well as the merging of some of the promotional demos, similarly to how "I'm Def" has two 1985 mixes but has only one page:

Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 1) → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Butler Demo?) (Bill Krauss Demo?) (Handclap Demo?) (DMX Demo?) (Promotional Demo?)
Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 2) → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Promotional Demo)
Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 3) → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo)

Number Three (1984 Demo) → Number Three (Demo)
(Merge 1985 Demo into the album page since it’s a different mix of the same recording)

Don't Let's Start (1985 Demo) → Don’t Let’s Start (Demo)

You'll Miss Me (Demo 1) → You’ll Miss Me (Flexi Demo)
You'll Miss Me (Demo 2) → You’ll Miss Me (Demo)

Cowtown (1985 Demo 1) → Cowtown (Promotional Demo)
Cowtown (1985 Demo 2) → Cowtown (Demo)

Chess Piece Face (1985 Demo) → Chess Piece Face (Demo)

Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1984 Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Promotional Demo)
Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Home Demo) [since it’s a solo Flansburgh recording]
Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1985 Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Demo)
Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1985 Promotional Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Sampler Demo)
[since promo tape #2 is also titled “TMBG Album Sampler”, it could also be merged into the 1985 demo tape version since it’s a different mix with extra overdubs]

(She Was A) Hotel Detective (1985 Demo) → (She Was A) Hotel Detective (Demo)

Hell Hotel (1983 Demo) → Hell Hotel (Original Demo) [since it appeared on the band's original demo]
Hell Hotel (1984 Demo) → Hell Hotel (Demo)

Nothing's Going To Change My Clothes → Nothing’s Gonna Change My Clothes (Demo)
[the promo version could be merged into this page into this page since it’s the same recording but a different mix]

They Might Be Giants (1984 Demo) → They Might Be Giants (Promotional Demo?) (Original Demo?)
They Might Be Giants (1985 Demo) → They Might Be Giants (Demo)
[Could also merge these two together since it’s the same recording but different mixes]

Everything Right Is Wrong (1984 Demo) → Everything Right Is Wrong Again (Demo?) (Promotional Demo?)
Everything Right Is Wrong → Everything Right Is Wrong Again (Demo?) (Flexi Demo?)

I'm hoping to get some opinions on this change and whether or not it'll be more beneficial for site readers, as the original page titles have stood untouched for years on this site. Thank you. − Mrsomebodyelse (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

it's funny that you propose this because the page titles were in fact originally more in line with that. the reason we switched is as we learned more about different tapes over the years the more cumbersome the descriptive names became. pages would have to be moved with every discovery. what's more, with the explosion of tapes we've learned about in the past 5 years or so, the band's lack of intentionality with these releases has become starkly apparent, which imo makes giving certain descriptive names rather arbitrary. e.g. we used to have a page [[You'll Miss Me (Flexi-Disc Version)]]; since then we've discovered that it also appears on two tapes, at least one of which probably(?) predates the flexi — thus tagging it with flexi/wiggle/whatever feels wrong. likewise, tacking "promotional" onto page titles that are already quite lengthy seems like unnecessary baggage.

i do strongly feel that the current system of years and/or numbers is the way to go. that said, i think there is definitely room for improvement within the system, but it should be dealt with a case by case basis. (for example i can see the argument for the two clothes demos being merged. but then what makes an edition of a song page-worthy? edits? mixes? that feels like an entirely different, very exhausting discussion with no clear answer). — 03:04, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

I do agree that the current system does have its flaws. It can require assuming the year and chronology of demos (though these details are still required elsewhere on the infoboxes and chronology pages, so assumptions still have to made with some demos regardless). Theres multiple tracks titled "1985 Demo" that were actually recorded in 1984. I however do not know about this proposed system. I'm fine with them being named after how the demos were recorded or what they recorded for, but I dont think pages should be named for what they ended up being released through when thats not what they were recorded for. There's already pages like this on the wiki, such as Hell Hotel (Podcast Demo), Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo), Don't Let's Start (WFMU Demo), and On The Drag (IFC Demo), which were obviously not made for the podcast, Bill Krauss Demos, WFMU, and IFC respectively. I also not sure if any of these 1985 demos should be referred to as "promotional". Not sure if they were made specifically for those tapes or not.− Hailey821 (talk) 07:47, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Yeah, I would like to add that I'm not a fan of calling demos "Podcast Demo" or "WFMU Demo" or "IFC Demo". These are clearly not what the demos were recorded for, but rather they just happened to be released via these platforms. In my personal collection I have these songs titled differently. TitanicFog (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

I'm really liking the idea of having the demos be named after what they were recorded for, but I'm realizing as I've read these that this might actually be a much bigger discussion than I originally thought since it extends sorta beyond the '83-'85 demos that I proposed. I would like to go about modifying these changes in a way that makes everyone happy (including me), but I'm curious to know whether or not this change would be better for the site or make it even more confusing than it may already be before I suggest some more ideas. − Mrsomebodyelse (talk) 17:20, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Malcolm in the Middle turns 25 tomorrow!!![edit]

Just wanted to announce because I'm super excited!!!! I know I'm a day early, but I'm super forgetful and I would have forgotten if I didn't put this up.