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== Birdhouse used in Clarks advert on UK TV ==
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==Shows with multiple posters==
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I'm sorting through my big ol' pile of miscellaneous TMBG stuff  I need to sort through and came across a show poster, but the show already has a different poster uploaded. I'm sure there must be some way to include both but I'm not sure how that works with the template. It's actually an early show/late show situation so I suppose one poster could be linked to the early and one to the late, but neither of them are actually specific to either. If it matters I will also add that the one I have is a smaller flier sort of thing, and I vaguely remember some discussion at some point about posters vs. fliers vs. small listings in newspapers, but I don't recall what if any conclusions were ever reached. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 04:34, 19 June 2023 (EDT)
  
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Not sure if it merits a mention on the front page but I thought this was pretty cool.  
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==Collection feature==
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOguvolh4s]
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It seems that the collection feature has been broken since January. Every time I try to add something to my collection, the button just disappears. Does anyone know what's going on? -[[User:Cf20936|Cf20936]]
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:Code is broken. [[User:CapitalQ| Cap]] has already alerted one of the coding moderators of it.--[[User:You&Me!!|You&Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&Me!!|talk]]) 14:53, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
  
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== (505) TMBW-505 ==
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== new version of file problem ==
  
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Call it. (Yes, from your phone. Yes, it's free.) This is only a test. More to come if people enjoy it.
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I’m having problems with uploading new versions of files. I tried to upload a new version of TMBGApp2.png and it just uploaded a stretched-out version of the same image.  
  
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Sincerely,<br />
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I tried the same thing with Beatles.jpg and on the [[The Beatles]] article, it displays the same image, but on the file page, it displays the image I uploaded. What’s happening?? - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
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Jon / {{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 11:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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:BEAUTIFUL.  i've been hoping for something like this for '''ages'''. BRAVO. --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 11:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Your browser doesn't realize there's a new file at the same URL as the previous image it already loaded. Just need to do a cache refresh to see the new image come through. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 09:54, 15 May 2022 (EDT)
  
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::OMG <3 {{User:JasonDeLima/sig}} 19:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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==Flansy Accident==
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According to a post by Linnell to the Facebook page, Flansy was in a car accident last night on the way home from the concert, breaking seven ribs.  https://www.facebook.com/theymightbegiants--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 11:56, 9 June 2022 (EDT)
  
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:::TMBW, I LOVE YOU. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] 19:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Photographer?? ==
  
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::::This is terribly exciting. -[[User:Lekker|Lekker]] 22:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hold on, is Linnell a photographer? I always assumed that there were two people named John Linnell, one an awesome very-talented songwriter, and the other a photographer, but now I'm starting to think they're the same guy. Somebody please clarify because I am very confused. - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
  
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People are happy! And thus, '''Dial-A-Wiki''' (at '''(505) TMBW-505''') is born. The unfortunate limitation with its current form is a 60-second length limit on the recordings, but perhaps this is for the better in order to uphold the legal principle of fair use, since the end result comes out as a low-quality (and time-limited) sample.<br />
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:TMBG Linnell is an outspoken camera enthusiast and enjoys taking photos, but I don't think there's any famous photographer named John Linnell. There is an 18th century painter with the same name. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 21:49, 6 July 2022 (EDT)
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By the way, YES, you can leave voicemail messages. And I'll try to update the song daily for as long as I can. Keep calling, and if this starts getting a lot of feedback, I guess I'll spread it beyond this talk page. Tell your friends, I suppose! See how people feel about it! -Jon / {{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 02:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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:It's incredible even with the limitations! Do They know about it? {{User:DidgeGuy/sig}} 13:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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== The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door ==
  
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::I haven't made any effort past this page yet to spread the word about the service, so if they do find out, it's going to take a while for it to reach them.<br />Anyway, I received some great voicemail messages today from fans! Perhaps I'll eventually post some of the voicemail recordings up for posterity (after asking permission from the original callers, of course).<br />For those wondering how this service is run, I'm using the free Google Voice service as an answering machine; there's no actual tape involved. :] -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 01:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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in 2004, an audiobook named "[https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100349/men-and-cartoons-by-jonathan-lethem/ Men and Cartoons]" was published, a collection of short stories, with one being by john linnell. "The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door" is 22 minutes of john linnell narrating his own original short story (with the first 1:30 having music). it is also available on [http://www.museumofidiots.com/tmbg/mp3s/dystopianist.mp3 museumofidiots.com]. there is hardly any information about it online anywhere, or any transcription. i think a page on TMBW would be a good place for it, but i want to verify first: would such a page be deleted for not actually being music (at least, past the first 1:30)? --[[User:Ncrecc|Ncrecc]] ([[User talk:Ncrecc|talk]]) 09:34, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
  
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:This is fantastic! -[[user:j2|j2]]
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:It should definitely have a TMBW page! Just probably not a "song" page. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:42, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
  
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::Anyone here leave the voicemail message consisting of a little humming+ukulele(?) rendition of Drinkin'? It's fantastic and charming! -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 01:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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on further inspection, it seems that the story actually originates from the print version of men and cartoons, written solely by johnathan lethem, and john linnell's only involvement was narrating the audiobook version. i should probably have deduced that (it is an easy deduction to make) before transcribing the audio... good way to spend half of an hour. --[[User:Ncrecc|Ncrecc]] ([[User talk:Ncrecc|talk]]) 12:48, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
  
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:::Really really cool. I'll be sure to leave a message once I think of something to say!! - [[User:Goodtimes2|Goodtimes2]]
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:In the future, if you're curious or confused about something on my site, just ask me. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 16:46, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
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::So wait. Wait. If it's so easy to do this sans-tape then WHAT THE HELL IS THE JOHNS'S EXCUSE? >:( >:( >:( (awesome though!) --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::AAHHH!! So true!! {{User:DidgeGuy/sig}} 01:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Just following up to say I still think the audiobook reading should have a page on TMBW! (I admittedly skimmed your initial message and would've pointed out Linnell didn't write the story if I caught it.) -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
  
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== Just an idea ==
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== Collections & Upcoming Attendance stopgap fix ==
  
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I think it might be good if we delete "User talk:" pages for users that are blocked after we block 'em. Or send a bot to do that. {{User:Buzzmusic100/sig}}
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When TMBW moved to HTTPS in January, it broke a couple of features including the ability to add/remove albums from Collections and mark yourself as attending future Shows. I put in a few rigs to get these working again today, and we can remove my inline JS mess when [[User:Duke33|Brad]] makes the appropriate tweaks. (I cannot similarly fix Song Ratings, sorry.) -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 18:25, 12 August 2022 (EDT)
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:Since users aren't blocked for consistent reasons, I don't know if a bot function would be advisable. It's possible that even a user with a legitimate, active(?) talk page could be blocked, and/or the talk page could be related the the user's blocking (and therefore potentially archival). You could always just request the deletion of a specific page, though. An admin would get around to it soon enough unless it doesn't actually need deletion. What talk page did you have in mind? -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] 20:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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::I had [[User_talk:EmmaWatson0|this one]] in mind but there are surely a million (not literally) others. That's why I thought a bot could do it. {{User:Buzzmusic100/sig}}
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:::Oh, yeah, that might as well be deleted. I'm still not sure about the bot; I think it's too inconsistent (but perhaps I am wrong). Also I think it still seems a little frivolous, seeing as users that require blocking only come along every so often, and I dunno if there are very many talk pages along with them. Not to mention that manual deletion probably isn't very hard. WAS THAT A JOHN HODGMAN REFERENCE? :D -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] 21:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Facebook ==
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== Anyone know what this is? ==
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[http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=10655752394&share_id=102262759834117&comments=1#s102262759834117 So many new accounts...] -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] 17:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Idea ==
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TMBG are credited as music composers... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2099740/ --[[User:ColorOfInfinity|ColorOfInfinity]] ([[User talk:ColorOfInfinity|talk]]) 00:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
  
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Why don't we put the recent [[Dial-A-Wiki]] songs on the main page, like the recent news column?  After all, it saves people from having to go to the page.
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:Enjoy! https://youtu.be/Y8oXz1ZKeHU -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 00:23, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
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:To be honest, it couldn't hurt to have a little "today's dial-a-wiki song" box somewhere, but I think it's a little tedious and unnecessary. Plus, I think part of dial-a-song's appeal is that one does not know what to expect when they call it. Even if someone does add it to the song list eventually. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] 02:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Awards... ==
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== John Flansburgh and Frank Black performance ==
  
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...to some TMBG songs, as of today (9-7-10).
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMY2Og1icc8&ab_channel=PJalt I found this old video of John F. and Frank Black performing Istanbul] via. Facebook. Couldn't find anything about the venue or the show, but I think it might have taken place on a boat? There was also a mention about a Valentine's Day yacht. They were called the "Ed Krattiger Blues Experience" and they also performed Dirt Bike, but there's no footage of them performing the song online currently. Does anyone have more information about this show? - [[User:Mrsomebodyelse|Mrsomebodyelse]] ([[User talk:Mrsomebodyelse|talk]]) 02:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
  
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*Best song:[[Ana Ng]]<br>
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:Your best bet might be to ask Ed himself - he's got contact info on [http://www.edkrattiger.com/ his website]. Let us know if you find anything else out! -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:49, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
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*Best Linnell song:[[Ana Ng]]<br>
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*Best Flansburgh song:[[Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head]] (or [[See The Constellation]])<br>
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*Best non-John song:[[I Am A Paleontologist]]<br>
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*Best alternate version of a song:[[James K. Polk (Original Version)]] (unless you count [[Why Does The Sun Shine? (Live STD)]])<br>
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*Best State Song:[[South Carolina]]<br>
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*Best Mono Puff song:[[Unsupervised, I Hit My Head]]<br>
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And these are the best songs from each album:
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==Info Club==
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I found a 1996 copy of the Info Club Newsletter with the letter [[1996, November - Hollywood - Flansburgh's Brush with Greatness: Real and Alternate Histories|Flansburgh's Brush with Greatness]].  Can't find any pages for these Info Club newsletters though, was wondering if I should scan and upload for the Wiki's use or if I'm just not looking in the right place.  Typing "info Club" into the search just gives me [[TMBG Info Club Archive/June 1990|TMBG Info Club FAQ]].--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 12:05, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
  
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*[[Pink Album]]:[[Don't Let's Start]]<br>
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:I don't think the wiki generally hosts scans of these sorts of things, but I'd be happy to take it for [http://www.museumofidiots.com/tmbg/ my site]. The wiki does already have a a typed version of what you're talking about, on the [[Letters_From_J_%26_J_Archive|Letters from J&J]] page, but you're absolutely right that this page is hard to find unless you know what you're looking for. Awhile ago I offered to take on the project of getting all this stuff organized/more findable, but then it got pushed to the back burner due to the million other projects I'm working on at any given time. But this is a reminder that it's important and I should bump it up the queue. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 14:39, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
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*[[Lincoln]]:[[Ana Ng]]<br>
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*[[Flood]]:[[Birdhouse In Your Soul]]<br>
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*[[Apollo 18]]:[[I Palindrome I]]<br>
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*[[Factory Showroom]]:[[Spiraling Shape]]<br>
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Correct me if I'm wrong please! {{User:Buzzmusic100/sig}}
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== Rarities collection ==
  
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:I disagree with almost everything you've said here! And also, I really don't see the point of this list when it's a purely subjective selection... --[[User:Suziessoliloquy|༺𝄞𝄆Ⓠⓤⓔⓛ⎈Ⓓⓞⓜⓜⓐⓖⓔ𝄇༻]] 11:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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I heard a while back that they might be giants may be working on a rarities collection, like the EP songs, mrs train ext. Is this true? or was I mistaken. sep 16 2022 Pinata time
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::Calm down, this list is outdated. It was taken from the song ratings page, fyi. It's not [[User:Buzzmusic100|Buzzmusic]]'s opinion. The song rating page has been changed recently due to the deletion of unregistered user votes (i think). {{User:DidgeGuy/sig}} 13:38, January 10 2011 (UTC)
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:::My bad. So sorry! D: --[[User:Suziessoliloquy|༺𝄞𝄆Ⓠⓤⓔⓛ⎈Ⓓⓞⓜⓜⓐⓖⓔ𝄇༻]] 23:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Life Is Good webcast ==
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it does not look like the TMBG portion of the Life is Good Festival will be webcast.  
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:Flansburgh hinted on a KMSU interview last year (on Nov 19, 2021) that a vinyl compilation of Elektra B-sides and remixes is potentially in the works. No talk of it since then, but he also announced Mink Car on vinyl was coming on that interview and it did shortly after. To my understanding, TMBG has the rights to rerelease their Elektra material including the out-of-print '90s EPs but hasn't gotten to it yet. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 16:55, 16 September 2022 (EDT)
  
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According to the information on the Life is Good website, they are only webcasting the two adult stages. TMBG are performing on the family stage. There is a schedule on the website of the times all the bands who will be appearing on the webcast and TMBG is not on it. You can check out the list of performers who will be on the webcast [http://www.lifeisgood.com/festivals/festival-news.aspx here].
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== Another Alice Cooper reference?==
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Anyone ever note the similarities between Rat Patrol & Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies?  The dynamics, guitar solos, & singing style (sort of) are a little uncanny. The lyrics not so much, other than they are a bit creepy. Another nod to the Godfather of Shock? Twitter: @timmyjim
  
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I took down the link we had posted to the webcast. If anyone can find info that says they are showing the family stage, feel free to revert my edit. I just didn't want people getting all excited about watching TMBG only to discover they couldn't. --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 06:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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== ParticleMen profile photo ==
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:I was already excited...SUPER-EXCITED, LIKE, THIS WILL BE THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY WEEKEND EXCITED...it's been, what, since 2002 that there's been a webcast? Well, let's just use this as the launching pad for another "HOW MANY MORE WAYS CAN WE FIND FOR THE CHILDREN'S MUSIC TO BE KILLING THEM" rant, shall we? Because clearly we need more of those. SO MAD. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 06:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Clock radio update? ==
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Does anyone know whose face is on TMBG's profile pic on YouTube? I thought it was [[William Allen White]] at first, but now I'm not so sure. - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
  
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<blockquote> Happy Thursday. TMBG have updated their Clock Radio desktop music streamer--Download it for free at www.theymightbegiants.com </blockquote>
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It’s New York governor Mario Cuomo! - [[User:FloridaFlamingoGirl|FloridaFlamingoGirl]] [[User talk:FloridaFlamingoGirl|talk]]
  
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- [[http://twitter.com/tmbg/statuses/25974947748| TMBG Twitter]]
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== Band members past and present ==
  
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Is this newsworthy?
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Is there a page on the wiki that lists all of TMBG’s backup members, including ones who no longer work with the band like Dan Hickey, Brian Doherty, and Hal Cragin? I think it would be quite useful if there was one. As of now the [[Band Members]] page only lists the two Johns. -
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:Eh, probably not considering the last "big update" was (IIRC) just adding podcast stuff. But I guess someone should check out what the update actually is to decide. Myself, I've never used the damn thing. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 23:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
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[[User:FloridaFlamingoGirl|FloridaFlamingoGirl]] [[User talk:FloridaFlamingoGirl|talk]] 14 November 2022, 1:00 PST
  
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::So far nothing's been added, at least to the list of things the Clock Radio will play. You'll see if it has changed in '''edit: [the xml file]'''; it's currently timestamped at Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:50:42 PM. ~ [[User:Magbatz|magbatz]] 08:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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:[[:Category:Backing Band Members|Yes.]] I found this by just looking at the individual page of one of the former members, Dan Hickey, and checking if there was anything listed--this is an easy method if you have a similar question in the future. That said, this could be a case where it's info that could be made more prominent/easy to find. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 04:47, 14 November 2022 (EST)
  
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::: I'm asking because last time, we put it in the news when it was just announced, then again when something actually happened.
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:Also helpful (though perhaps incomplete) is Wikipedia's {{wp|They_Might_Be_Giants#Timeline|band timeline for TMBG}}. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 08:51, 14 November 2022 (EST)
  
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:Not newsworthy until they actually update Clock Radio. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 22:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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::Honestly the entire WP page needs a makeover, specifically the last paragraph. It's all over the place.--[[User:You&#38;Me!!|You&#38;Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&#38;Me!!|talk]]) 09:18, 14 November 2022 (EST)
  
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== Less Than Jake ==
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:::I would much rather go on TMBW than Wikipedia to learn anything about TMBG. Last I checked, the Wikipedia page for them made John Henry and Mink Car out to be massive failures that tarnished the band's career. -FloridaFlamingoGirl
  
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::::That's based on critic reviews for John Henry and Mink Car (although beloved by fans), were not rated highly by critics upon release. [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 12:41, 15 November 2022 (EST)
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:::::It also lists a one-star The Guardian review of The Spine, but based on a review of a live show I think The Guardian just has a problem with TMBG in general. --[[User:ColorOfInfinity|ColorOfInfinity]] ([[User talk:ColorOfInfinity|talk]]) 00:37, 16 November 2022 (EST)
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:On October 12, Less Than Jake will release a Tv theme song ep featuring "Boss of Me" as Track 6.
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== Rondo Brothers ==
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== What is “Negative Ad”? ==
  
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Anyone know anything about these guys? On their twitter feed, they claim to be mixing a live track by TMBG.  I assume they're working on the new album?
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Seriously. Is it a new song? Is it a vibe report? An announcement? I need to know! - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
  
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http://twitter.com/#!/rondobrothers/status/29602300696
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It was a cute 28-second video that advertised TMBG’s tour in the style of a political attack ad. -FloridaFlamingoGirl
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http://twitter.com/#!/rondobrothers/status/29510259579
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== We Are Meh! ==
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I saw that on TMBG's Youtube, they posted an official audio entitled: We Are Meh. Is this a rarity or an unreleased track? In the description it said that it was for a website. If anyone can research on this song, that would be awesome, and if anyone could make a page for it that would be awesome as well! [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Bluecanaryalex]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 11:44, 1 December 2022 (EST)
  
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I wonder if it's for a bonus track on the new album, like how they had that live version of Bed Bed Bed on one of their kids' albums? --[[User:Oddjob|Oddjob]] 14:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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:It's had a page for seven years: [[Meh (We Are Meh)]] -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 13:21, 1 December 2022 (EST)
  
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== WLIR Concert ID ==
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::Oh! I never knew, LMAOOO [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Bluecanaryalex]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 14:10, 1 December 2022 (EST)
  
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Do we have a page for this?
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:::Category:Songs[https://tmbw.net/wiki/Category:Songs] and the search bar can be very helpful! [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 11:54, 2 December 2022 (EST)
  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJz5FMuKQN8&feature=youtu.be
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== Danny's Birthday ==
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Happy 59th birthday, Mr. Weinkauf! The wikians wish you a very happy birthday :) [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Bluecanaryalex]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 11:19, 4 December 2022 (EST)
  
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I couldn't find one. Thought it was kind of interesting though.  --Duke33 18:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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== puppet jam article moves ==
  
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:That is awesome. We totally need a page. --veggieman 20:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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fyi, recently a bunch of puppet jam articles were moved to pages with the "puppet jam: " prefix in the title, but the lyrics/interp/credits/etc. pages were not moved along with them. i keep thinking "oh i'll do it" and then forget --[[User:Ncrecc|Ncrecc]] ([[User talk:Ncrecc|talk]]) 17:47, 9 December 2022 (EST)
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:Done. - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
  
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::One of my favorite features on the Gigantic DVD, both because it's funny and because it's referencing so many places a few miles from me! -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 05:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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== homestar links ==
  
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== TMBG-centric Tumblr ==
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Should we make interwiki links for homestarrunner.com, like we do for Youtube? - '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
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:I think we should! You might have to ask Jon about it, though, since I have no clue. [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Ms. Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 13:43, 27 January 2023 (EST)
  
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Ok, I hope I'm not being obnoxious mentioning this all over the place, but I figured y'all would be interested: I'm doing an ALL TMBG, ALL THE TIME Tumblr now. I'm posting all kinds of pictures, mp3's of varying degrees of rareness, and other miscellaneous goodies. You'll have to wade through a considerable amount of Linnell gushing (obviously) so I apologize if that's not your thing, and I am making a ton of posts (I actually just now made my 200th post after having the thing for 12 days) but hopefully you'll find some things to enjoy in there. So yeh, if you are so inclined you can [http://selfcallednowhere.tumblr.com/ check it totally out right here.]
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==Tiny Toons and Birdhouse==
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It's the anniversary of the Tiny Toons music videos! It's also the anniversary of the [[Birdhouse In Your Soul]] single! [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Ms. Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 07:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)
  
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==Coraline==
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Happy birthday to one of my favorite movies, Coraline! I adore the [[Other Father Song]] and the movie itself. [[User:Bluecanaryalex|Ms. Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Bluecanaryalex|talk]]) 07:43, 6 February 2023 (EST)
  
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==TMBW's Birthday==
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:Something we've never heard of? --<font face = "Courier New, Courier, Avant Garde, Webdings">[[User:Veggieman|$¥Šтəм]][[User:Veggieman/music|д†↓к]] [[User:Veggieman/babel|є┌╓☼╔]] ''([[User talk:Veggieman|talk]])''</font> 01:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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Happy birthday to TMBW!! [[User:Mrs.Xcitement|Mrs.Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Mrs.Xcitement|talk]]) 11:12, 25 February 2023 (EST)
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==Pesky ampersands==
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There's a formatting problem with show pages where the venue has an ampersand in its name. Check out [[Shows/2008-03-08|this show]] at Hal & Mal's in Jackson, MS, or as it renders on the page, "Hal &amp;#38; Mal's." Clicking through on the venue from the show page goes to a broken link, since the URL only gets the "Hal" bit. I tried changing the ampersand to &amp;amp; on the 2008 page, but that makes it worse, turning the venue on the show page into "Hal &amp;#38;amp&amp;#59; Mal's." Yikes! This is also an issue for 4th & B in San Diego, e.g. [[Shows/1999-09-24|here]]. --[[User:Octoflange|Octoflange]] ([[User talk:Octoflange|talk]]) 01:54, 2 March 2023 (EST)
  
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I'm guessing it's not legit. Zomba Screen Music does seem to exist though. [[User:Wout|Wout]] 02:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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::i saw pesky ampersands and i thought you were talking about me :'( --[[User:You&#38;Me!!|You&#38;Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&#38;Me!!|talk]])
  
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:Huh...weird.  Zomba did in fact issue the [[Bangs (Promo)]]. That possibly lends some legitimacy.  --Duke33 04:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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:Thanks for noticing this bug! Just added a little rule to the Show Page template that should fix this. Let me know if you see any other issues with the change, as it's always possible a modification like this could inadvertently introduce other bugs. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:22, 2 March 2023 (EST)
  
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== Next TMBG Rock Album Sorta News ==
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::Thanks for fixing! Here's a related issue... From the page for "[[Women & Men]]," if I click on the link for the song rating breakdown, the URL breaks after "Women" ([https://tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/Special:RatingsBreakdown?articleName=Women_&_Men like so]). --[[User:Octoflange|Octoflange]] ([[User talk:Octoflange|talk]]) 03:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)
  
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Quote Danny Weinkauf from his Facebook page, "nearly done with next rock album with TMBG - doing a bunch of TV and Jingle stuff from home studio - and with Dan Miller and Marty." Not sure if it was common knowledge or if it was mentioned in any recent interviews, but the album is nearly done! Hopefully it will be released soon-ish. Just thought anyone here who isn't on Facebook would like to know. {{User:JasonDeLima/sig}} 20:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
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:Wait, where is this? I don't see it on Danny's FB page at all. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 21:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Yeahh, he didn't specify which part They were done with. They still have to announce it, master it, album art, promote it, etc. Sounds promising for 2011 though! {{User:JasonDeLima/sig}} 20:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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Does anyone know when IFC 2023 will be? And on that note, what is the general price for IFC subscriptions? Thanks! &mdash; '''''[[User:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|HotelDetectiveInTheFuture]]'''''🪗 [[User talk:HotelDetectiveInTheFuture|talk]] 🎸
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== Holy shit. ==
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:No one knows except TMBG. There are usually 2 or 3 price tiers for IFC, with the first one coming in at $99 or lower. Here is the last offering from 2020 [https://web.archive.org/web/20200731073615/https://tmbgifc.com/ on archive.org] for reference. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 19:51, 15 March 2023 (EDT)
  
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:...what fight? -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|Phoebus!]]) 20:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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::Their songs are mostly all just a dialogue between John and John, Flans wanting to explore the infinite potential of the accordion, Linnell wanting to become a rock band. There was a huge event between them (Broke in Two), I'm impressed basically remedied the situation but Flans referenced it in The Shadow Government as well which spurred Linnell to write Contrecoup.
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::::<i>I think you might have Linnell and Flans confused, because the accordion is the instrument that Linnell plays.</i> I think the more significant confusion is the idea that Flans would want to be more involved with exploring the musical form and Linnell would be more concerned about "rock band" status. p.s. Apollo it's not really necessary to feed the trolls. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 08:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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:::::I take great pleasure in arguing. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|Phoebus!]]) 12:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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::::"it is also about dumbing down the lyrics to the songs" yeah. Duende lyrics are REAL dumbed down. {{User:DidgeGuy/sig}} 13:45, December 13 2010
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:::::I will simply point out once again that by acting like this is an actual theory and not obvious trolling y'all are making yourselves look really stupid and gullible. REALLY. (And yes yes, I am aware that I said something too, but I found the thing I was commenting on legitimately amusing. The only thing in all this nonsense that was, actually.) --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 08:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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HAPPY BDAY APOLLO 18!!! >_< [[User:Mrs.Xcitement|Mrs.Xcitement]] ([[User talk:Mrs.Xcitement|talk]]) 12:56, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
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:if this movie really does happen, then it'd better at least have "the statue got me high" in it, regardless of whether or not that is consistent with the tone of the film. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|Phoebus!]]) 01:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
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From The AV Club: [http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-turd-in-the-caviar-24-songs-that-almost-derail,49441/2/ The turd in the caviar: 24 songs that almost derail great albums]:
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For those who believe They Might Be Giants died the moment the duo started working with a live band, 1988’s Lincoln will always stand as the group’s unassailable masterpiece—or almost unassailable. Its Achilles heel, sandwiched between the larkish “Santa’s Beard” and the classic “They’ll Need a Crane,” is the car-crash melange of “You’ll Miss Me.” Over faux-funky jazz bass and discordant horns, John Flansburgh gruffly mock-raps a tough-guy screed, the irritation of his affected vocals doubled by the distortion in which they’re slathered. For a band who’ve always lived by their wits, “You’ll Miss Me” is bafflingly witless; anyone waiting for a sign that it’s some obscure joke ends up waiting in vain.
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::You don't read the AV Club very often do you Oddjob. That's kind of their standard thing, and I find it pretty amusing generally. (I found <i>this</i> rather amusing, actually.) But FWIW, they have posted many many other things exalting various TMBG tracks as well. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 01:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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== New Music Tipsheet ==
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Am i the only one not getting all worked up about the fact that they are reporting the 4/5/11 release date for the next album?  I mean, is this a reliable source?  I don't know anything about the site.  --Duke33 04:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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== TMBG sponsering little league??? ==
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Does anyone else know about this?[http://www.tmbg.com/littleleague/]
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:That's from a couple of summers ago. I never heard anything about them continuing it after that year, but who knows.--[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 23:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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== spam? ==
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:I had the same question. I figure blanking them is better than nothing, so it's what I've been doing (let me know if I'm wrong, though). Do you have to be a moderator to delete pages? I'd do it if I could, but I guess it's not a good idea to let just anyone delete pages . . . [[User:Drew|Drew]] 19:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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::Well, there are admins and deletion folks, and they can block users and delete pages (well, admins can block users, at least), but I'm still curious as to what should be done until such a time that one of them can do something. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 19:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:What about the extra music and production that The Daily Show puts on for elections?  Could this music be from that? [[User:Krueger|Krueger]] 12:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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== A Little Something for You Lady-Types Out There ==
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http://www.etsy.com/listing/65426766/they-might-be-giants-80s-retro-mini
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[http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/14/they-might-be-giants-join-us/ Brand new information on the Johns' next album]. Update away~ --[[User:Lemita|Lemita]] 17:34, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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is [http://twitter.com/#!/tmbg/status/52581567956123649 this] worthy of being news, or too vague? in any case, sounds interesting, eh? -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 04:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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Pitchfork released [http://pitchfork.com/news/42112-new-release-they-might-be-giants-ijoin-usi/ this] today. I'd edit, but I have to leave for class. Who wants to do the honors? --[[User:Lemita|Lemita]] 15:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
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== "Ten Ridiculous Wikis to Cure Your Boredom with Just One Click" ==
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[http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/2011/04/ten_ridiculous_wikis.php Apparently we're considered the #10 most interesting useless wiki or something, yay?...] --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 03:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
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== never knew love ==
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[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B004WZ30XI So I guess "Never Knew Love" will be a single...?] --<font face = "Courier New, Courier, Avant Garde, Webdings">[[User:Veggieman|A]][[User talk:Veggieman|G]][[Special:Contributions/Veggieman|R]]</font> 01:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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:hmm... the other three advance tracks are there too... --<font face = "Courier New, Courier, Avant Garde, Webdings">[[User:Veggieman|A]][[User talk:Veggieman|G]][[Special:Contributions/Veggieman|R]]</font> 02:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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My sister was watching "the 40 most slimmed-down celebrities" on VH1 (it's about famous people losing weight?) and one of the "celebs" was Al Roker, and in the little Al Roker introduction bit they played ~10 seconds of The Guitar! I got really excited. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 17:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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:Aww I thought you were going to say Flans was on it. I mean <i>sometimes</i> he does... --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 22:25, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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So Flansburgh has declared Tuesday to be TMBG Awareness Day ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUt0F-3CY0w see this YouTube video] and the @tmbg Twitter feed) to celebrate the release of the preview. I think it would be rather awesome if we, the fan community could make this kind of a big thing. His celebration suggestions included posting a status update, making a video and generally telling all your friends. We seem to be a pretty creative group of people so I am sure we can come up with some other awesome ideas. I took the liberty of creating a Facebook event for the occasion to help spread the word. [http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=124599457617441 Here is the page]. I think you have to be logged in to Facebook to see it but I think anyone can "attend" as long as you have Facebook (let me know if I'm wrong about that). Anybody else got any nifty celebration ideas? Who's with me?! --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 20:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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:Um, the last time a TMBG day was declared, wasn't it a ((kinda) mind-blowing) surprise made by a third party (Brooklyn)?  (And announced by such a dude as
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:Not that this isn't swell and all, but I feel like TMBG have forgotten what humility is lately. Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon these days, and maybe it's just because it seems Flansburgh is the one trying to get people interested and also interest people into getting others interested; the Street Team of times past seemed to be done by.... someone else. Also, the fact that JF seems to be a professional twitter artist these days?  Weird. End rant. ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]] 21:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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::There is a difference between humility and marketing. TMBG are themselves a product they have to sell to survive. They aren't on a major label with the giant advertising budget that comes with it. They've got to do it themselves. And the best resource they have is us, the fans. Fact is if one of the fans tried to organize this, it would get a mild response and maybe sell a few extra copies of the preview. But if the band promotes it, it instantly goes out to 175,000 people on Facebook and 16,000 people on Twitter and if even half those people manage to convince 1 extra person to buy the preview or even just look up the band then it's an overwhelming success. This is just Street Team for the internet age. And besides, it's fun. I don't know about anyone else, but I embrace any opportunity to share my TMBG love with the world. Also, I have found JF's Twitter persona enormously entertaining and informative. *stepping off shoebox now* --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 22:04, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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:::Yeah I've gotten over it now.  Sorry.  It's still not something I'm interested in 'taking part in', but for now I have called off the order of eggs and spraypaint. ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]] 22:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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[http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=45545&int_modo=1 Ok this is kind of awesome.] "Completed in 1963, the Flansburgh House was designed by the late architect Earl R. Flansburgh, FAIA for his family’s private use. The house is designed around an open interior garden court and was built to illustrate Flansburgh's approach to Modern residential design. It is set on a slightly sloping wooded lot and surrounded by tall pine trees and stone walls built by Flansburgh and his sons." --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 20:02, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
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Keep an eye on the Onion AV Club:  [http://rollick.livejournal.com/866593.html] --Duke33 08:43, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
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:Well that explains the mysterious Twitter post from the Chicago Tribune writer who said she got to sing with TMBG. Apparently their limo also hit someone's car on the way out. Whoops. Can't wait to see this video. --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 11:42, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
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:An AV Club staff member wrote about this (and posted a picture) [http://rollick.livejournal.com/866593.html here]. Exciting! --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 17:01, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
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Check out this [http://amzn.to/k9dqVS TMBG discography book] available on amazon.  It looks like someone compiled the info from Wikipedia, and is now selling it as a book.  What does anyone think?  Should we add an article for it on TMBW?  --Duke33 08:48, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
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:You're right - {{wp|Books LLC}} does republish Wikipedia for money. I don't think it deserves a page. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 10:05, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
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Having just heard [[Havalina]] on [[Podcast 45]], I find it to be a brilliant cover. I'm especially delighted by the use of melodica on the track. The melodica, with its extraordinary appearance and distinctive sound, seems like a very Johns-style instrument to me; sadly, I don't believe They used it very often. I remember a melodica being played on [[Snowball In Hell]] and [[Istanbul]], but I can't recall any other instance of melodica appearing in a TMBG song. Anyone here who knows if they ever used it in other songs? [[Special:Contributions/194.48.133.8|194.48.133.8]] 03:51, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
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So if you haven't looked at that new Flans interview yet, the EXCITING PART is that They are apparently making an ACTUAL MUSIC VIDEO for "Can't Keep Johnny Down" CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW AMAZING THIS IS --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] 23:41, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
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:nope.  forbidden under WL6 §12.3.  sorry.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 23:47, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
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::Awesome. [[User:SamuelMan36|SamuelMan36]] 00:19, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
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:::Sorry. YESSSSSSSSSSSSS. - [[User:Whirlwind|Whirrrlwind]] ([[User talk:Whirlwind|Woosh!]]) 12:00, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
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Over the past week or so I've been occasionally seeing pages that say "Rebuild File Cache" in place of the page title. I can fix this by editing the page and not making any changes, which I know just re-caches the page. I was wondering if this is indicative of some problem or just a quirk? &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Comic Sans MS;">[[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]]</span> 14:36, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
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:Yeah - I'm aware of it...I just need to actually do something about it.  I'll try to get it fixed soon, promise.  --Duke33 15:27, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
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:sadly, it seems to be custom-made, as far as i can tell (i've done quite a bit of investigation into this... though i have not gone directly to the source).  if you want to use it in a digital product you can try to fake it using the letters from the cover of both pink and dls (that's what i usually do).  there are other instances (such as on the inside of the [[Best Of The Early Years|BOTEY]] cover, but they are all too small to use.  that said, if you ''do'' figure out that it is available as a digital font and manage to obtain it, i will be forever in your debt!  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 20:35, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
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I bought the Join Us EP on iTunes back when it was the full price of $9.99. I don't see any way to get the rest of the album besides re-buying it, and I've emailed Apple multiple times and only got back that they are "denying my request for a refund" (which I wasn't, I was requesting the album I had rightfully purchased). Anybody else who bought the EP have more luck than I have?
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::Have you guys tried going to the Store dropdown menu and choosing "Check for Available Downloads"? Worth a shot. If that doesn't work, iTunes will probably straighten this out. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 20:37, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
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:::I just tried your suggestion and it didn't work out. I'm in a very similar situation to the original poster. So far, I've started a discussion in the Apple Support Community and gotten nowhere, emailed Apple and gotten nowhere, and, last but not least, Twittered with @tmbg and gotten nowhere. According to (I assume) Flansy, the people who bought the EP when it was $3.99 should be able to buy the rest of the album for $6 now on the "Complete My Album" page. I'm considering just biting my tongue and re-purchasing the album, but I'm not going to do that until I've emailed Apple a few dozen times more. --[[User:Super Martyo Brother|SMB]] 21:38, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
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::::Flans on Facebook: ''iTunes writes our management that all the goof ups with the complete my album program will be fixed. It's a momentary thing but obviously people want it fixed asap.'' -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 23:56, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
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:::::::Anyway, I ended up buying the thing on Amazon for $3.99, which ended up being cheaper than the "complete my album" thing would have been anyway! Glad iTunes didn't get any more of my money after their folly. So between that, the EP purchase, and the CD purchase (a compulsion of mine), I really ended up buying "Join Us" a total of 3 times! And I must say it is worth every penny.  --[[User:Oddjob|Oddjob]] 09:41, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
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:It came from a publicity photo session with photographer Sam Graff. I believe those photos began debuting in late 2019, initially around the release of the song "[[Social Media]]." -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:58, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
  
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==Hooray!!==
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Hooray! It's Marty's birthday!! [[User:LowRiseJeans|LowRiseJeans]] ([[User talk:LowRiseJeans|talk]]) 12:10, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
  
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http://cde.cerosmedia.com/1N4e11bd4936e9e012.cde/page/68 - [[User:Wezzo|Wezzo]] 09:26, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
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password reset seems broken; i requested a password reset and never got one --[[Special:Contributions/96.230.216.95|96.230.216.95]] 21:38, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
  
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Was thinking if instead of just "nothing important happened in TMBG history, there could be a link to "these shows happened today in TMBG history"  Just a thought.  Still chewing on it in my head.--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 09:24, 8 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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I have never been so proud to have a slightly deviated septum and ever-enlarged tonsils. ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]] 12:09, 25 July 2011 (EDT)
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==Dan Miller collaborates with William Shatner on new Shatner album==
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I don't have time to research the details at the moment, but I'm not seeing any mention of it here, so I wanted to give everyone a heads up that, according to the album's Bandcamp page (click on "Purchase Info" in the app), as well as William Shatner's recent interview with Adam Corolla, Shatner's new children's album, Where Will the Animals Sleep?, was "created in collaboration with longtime guitarist for They Might Be Giants, Dan Miller." The album doesn't have a Discogs page yet, but I hear Dan on backing vocals, and I assume he plays some guitar, at the very least, as well. The Bandcamp page has some images of the CD booklet, so you may be able to see more details there, though most of it was too small for me to make out on my phone. I assume at the very least this info should be added to the news section? [[User:Drew|Drew]] ([[User talk:Drew|talk]])
  
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:This is super cool! [[Dan Miller]] is credited as a composer, producer, engineer, and performer, playing instruments and singing. Additionally, [[Marty Beller]] is credited with 'instruments and backing vocals' on "I'm A Coral See In The Coral Sea". Dan had this to say:
  
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::"I would like to thank Bill and Rob for their incredibly satisfying creativity and work. It's a joy to work with such talented and passionate people. Annette and Piper get the biggest thank you and love for putting up with me during this process and providing inspiration and support - I'm often a mess. Evan and Adam did amazing work and have my eternal thanks. Additional thanks go out to Marty Beller for the great song and Danny Weinkauf for just being great. Thanks to Cleopatra Records for their support and for keeping independent labels a living thing - amazing!"
  
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:I feel like the album is borderline deserving of a TMBW page since both Dan and Marty are on the album and [[Danny Weinkauf|Danny]] is specially thanked. Up to the admins I suppose. [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 12:55, 19 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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I'm currently on Lemmy (startrek.website, to be exact). I was wondering whether there were any other fediverse people on this wiki and whether they'd be interested in started one. My instance doesn't allow starting new communities (as it is Star Trek-focused), so someone else would need to lets start it.
  
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:I used to keep it around, but it turns out that it's just the completed Skullivan track from Spine Surfs Alone that they put on Dial-A-Song.  If you're still interested in remembering how the Skullivan master sounded when pushed through a phone line and onto a tape recorder though, I have it burned to (a sort of scratchy) CD.  Alternatively, other people probably still have the mp3.  ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]]
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== Proposing massive overhaul to 1983-1985 demo titles ==
  
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Hi TMBW, I'm proposing a big change to remove the numbers and years off of various demo titles (eg. 1985 Demo, Demo 1, Demo 2) and replace them with more descriptive titles, such as "[[It's Not My Birthday (Lincoln Demo)]]" or "[[Finished With Lies (Nicolo Demo)]]". This mostly applies to TMBG's demos recorded between 1983 to 1985 that appeared on their demo tapes and will hopefully make the chronology tabs for these demos less messy, as well as fit with the overall theme of the rest of the demo pages, seeing as there's no "[[Snowball In Hell (Demo)|Snowball In Hell (1986 Demo)]]", "[[On The Drag (Demo)|On The Drag (1996 Demo)]]" or "[[She's Actual Size (Demo 1)|She's Actual Size (1991 Demo 1)]]".
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::Seems pretty clear that it'll be an iPhone-exclusive Dial-A-Song app. Probably something like TMBG Clock Radio but with a new interface and (hopefully) different music. If anyone else remembers, they put out a call for iPhone developers [[Mailing List Archive/2009-04-30|in 2009]]. A bit disappointed it's not cross-platform! -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 15:34, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
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Thought it would be a good idea to start a little conversation about the cover album here, which was a great idea. I'm listening through for the first time right now, past the halfway point and it seems slightly like a mixed bag&mdash;but there are some great cuts on here. Highlights for me so far are the covers of "Hovering Sombrero", "Hopeless Bleak Despair" and "My Man", and pretty much any that have great singing and try to play with the song's original direction a bit. Hearing {{wp|Beefy (artist|Beefy}} on "Yeh Yeh" was pretty surprising, too. I'll write back after I finish listening to the whole thing. Anyone else want to share their thoughts? -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 16:23, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
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:Though usually I somewhat enjoy the music of Hank Green, his "Bangs" did not really encourage me to listen further. I haven't been listening to each track all the way through, but "Man, It's So Loud in Here" seemed pretty ok. I like the "Another First Kiss" cover more than the album version! I thought the "Drink!" cover was really interesting, and while I like the original better, it was a cool take on the song. I thought what Hello, The Future! did with "Working Undercover for the Man" was interesting (and pretty crazy) too. I liked the instrumental "Mink Car" a lot, as well. Overall nothing really particularly stood out as being, you know, incredible, but it was fun listening. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 17:01, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
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So I'm kind of fascinated by tracking what keys songs are played in live vs. on the studio versions, and was thinking maybe it would be interesting to have a page categorizing the songs that are played in different keys for whatever reason. (Theoretically demo versions and stuff could be included in the list too, but since a lot of the old Dial-A-Song tapes have that chipmunky vocal effect going on, indicating that the tape is being played at the wrong speed, then those songs that have obviously been sped up to a different key by outside technical factors could be left off the list.)  
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I'm hoping to get some opinions on this change and whether or not it'll be more beneficial for site readers, as the original page titles have stood untouched for years on this site. Thank you. − [[User:Mrsomebodyelse|Mrsomebodyelse]] ([[User talk:Mrsomebodyelse|talk]]) 01:53, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
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:it's funny that you propose this because the page titles were in fact originally more in line with that. the reason we switched is as we learned more about different tapes over the years the more cumbersome the descriptive names became. pages would have to be moved with every discovery. what's more, with the explosion of tapes we've learned about in the past 5 years or so, the band's lack of intentionality with these releases has become starkly apparent, which imo makes giving certain descriptive names rather arbitrary. e.g. we used to have a page <nowiki>[[You'll Miss Me (Flexi-Disc Version)]]</nowiki>; since then we've discovered that it also appears on two tapes, at least one of which probably(?) predates the flexi — thus tagging it with flexi/wiggle/whatever feels wrong. likewise, tacking "promotional" onto page titles that are already quite lengthy seems like unnecessary baggage.
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:i do strongly feel that the current system of years and/or numbers is the way to go. that said, i think there is definitely room for improvement within the system, but it should be dealt with a case by case basis. (for example i can see the argument for the two clothes demos being merged. but then what makes an edition of a song page-worthy? edits? mixes? that feels like an entirely different, very exhausting discussion with no clear answer). —{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 03:04, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
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:I do agree that the current system does have its flaws. It can require assuming the year and chronology of demos (though these details are still required elsewhere on the infoboxes and chronology pages, so assumptions still have to made with some demos regardless). Theres multiple tracks titled "1985 Demo" that were actually recorded in 1984. I however do not know about this proposed system. I'm fine with them being named after how the demos were recorded or what they recorded for, but I dont think pages should be named for what they ended up being released through when thats not what they were recorded for. There's already pages like this on the wiki, such as [[Hell Hotel (Podcast Demo)]], [[Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo)]], [[Don't Let's Start (WFMU Demo)]], and [[On The Drag (IFC Demo)]], which were obviously not made for the podcast, Bill Krauss Demos, WFMU, and IFC respectively. I also not sure if any of these 1985 demos should be referred to as "promotional". Not sure if they were made specifically for those tapes or not.− [[User:Hailey821|Hailey821]] ([[User talk:Hailey821|talk]]) 07:47, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
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:Yeah, I would like to add that I'm not a fan of calling demos "Podcast Demo" or "WFMU Demo" or "IFC Demo". These are clearly not what the demos were recorded for, but rather they just happened to be released via these platforms. In my personal collection I have these songs titled differently. [[User:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|TitanicFog]] ([[User talk:Giants Jubilee Mightathon|talk]]) 11:48, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
  
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I know that there's already that category for song keys (e.g. Songs in E major) that appears at the bottom on song pages, but I thought this might be a little better organized for viewing things on a song-by-song basis, since as it is now, a bunch of songs have incorrect keys listed, or have a whole bunch of keys on their page, which kind of confuses things. I'm not suggesting getting rid of that, I just think having a page listing the songs that have notably been played in different keys in different situations would be interesting, and would like to know whether anyone else thinks it's a good or bad idea. -[[User:J-Gatz|J-Gatz]]
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::I'm really liking the idea of having the demos be named after what they were recorded for, but I'm realizing as I've read these that this might actually be a much bigger discussion than I originally thought since it extends sorta beyond the '83-'85 demos that I proposed. I would like to go about modifying these changes in a way that makes everyone happy (including me), but I'm curious to know whether or not this change would be better for the site or make it even more confusing than it may already be before I suggest some more ideas. − [[User:Mrsomebodyelse|Mrsomebodyelse]] ([[User talk:Mrsomebodyelse|talk]]) 17:20, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Merch/Shirts/etc. ==
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== Malcolm in the Middle turns 25 tomorrow!!! ==
  
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I'm looking for a section of the site that features TMBG merchandise (pencils, stickers, etc.) and clothing.  Not seeing this anywhere. Does a section like this not exist or am I totally missing it?  -[[User:thevince|thevince]] 3 September 2011
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Just wanted to announce because I'm super excited!!!! I know I'm a day early, but I'm super forgetful and I would have forgotten if I didn't put this up.

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Shows with multiple posters[edit]

I'm sorting through my big ol' pile of miscellaneous TMBG stuff I need to sort through and came across a show poster, but the show already has a different poster uploaded. I'm sure there must be some way to include both but I'm not sure how that works with the template. It's actually an early show/late show situation so I suppose one poster could be linked to the early and one to the late, but neither of them are actually specific to either. If it matters I will also add that the one I have is a smaller flier sort of thing, and I vaguely remember some discussion at some point about posters vs. fliers vs. small listings in newspapers, but I don't recall what if any conclusions were ever reached. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

Collection feature[edit]

It seems that the collection feature has been broken since January. Every time I try to add something to my collection, the button just disappears. Does anyone know what's going on? -Cf20936

Code is broken. Cap has already alerted one of the coding moderators of it.--You&Me!! (talk) 14:53, 10 May 2022 (EDT)

new version of file problem[edit]

I’m having problems with uploading new versions of files. I tried to upload a new version of TMBGApp2.png and it just uploaded a stretched-out version of the same image.

I tried the same thing with Beatles.jpg and on the The Beatles article, it displays the same image, but on the file page, it displays the image I uploaded. What’s happening?? - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

Your browser doesn't realize there's a new file at the same URL as the previous image it already loaded. Just need to do a cache refresh to see the new image come through. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 09:54, 15 May 2022 (EDT)

Flansy Accident[edit]

According to a post by Linnell to the Facebook page, Flansy was in a car accident last night on the way home from the concert, breaking seven ribs. https://www.facebook.com/theymightbegiants--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

Photographer??[edit]

Hold on, is Linnell a photographer? I always assumed that there were two people named John Linnell, one an awesome very-talented songwriter, and the other a photographer, but now I'm starting to think they're the same guy. Somebody please clarify because I am very confused. - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

TMBG Linnell is an outspoken camera enthusiast and enjoys taking photos, but I don't think there's any famous photographer named John Linnell. There is an 18th century painter with the same name. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 21:49, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door[edit]

in 2004, an audiobook named "Men and Cartoons" was published, a collection of short stories, with one being by john linnell. "The Dystopianist, Thinking of His Rival, is Interrupted by a Knock at the Door" is 22 minutes of john linnell narrating his own original short story (with the first 1:30 having music). it is also available on museumofidiots.com. there is hardly any information about it online anywhere, or any transcription. i think a page on TMBW would be a good place for it, but i want to verify first: would such a page be deleted for not actually being music (at least, past the first 1:30)? --Ncrecc (talk) 09:34, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

It should definitely have a TMBW page! Just probably not a "song" page. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 10:42, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

on further inspection, it seems that the story actually originates from the print version of men and cartoons, written solely by johnathan lethem, and john linnell's only involvement was narrating the audiobook version. i should probably have deduced that (it is an easy deduction to make) before transcribing the audio... good way to spend half of an hour. --Ncrecc (talk) 12:48, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

In the future, if you're curious or confused about something on my site, just ask me. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
Just following up to say I still think the audiobook reading should have a page on TMBW! (I admittedly skimmed your initial message and would've pointed out Linnell didn't write the story if I caught it.) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 17:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

Collections & Upcoming Attendance stopgap fix[edit]

When TMBW moved to HTTPS in January, it broke a couple of features including the ability to add/remove albums from Collections and mark yourself as attending future Shows. I put in a few rigs to get these working again today, and we can remove my inline JS mess when Brad makes the appropriate tweaks. (I cannot similarly fix Song Ratings, sorry.) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 18:25, 12 August 2022 (EDT)

Anyone know what this is?[edit]

TMBG are credited as music composers... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2099740/ --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 00:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

Enjoy! https://youtu.be/Y8oXz1ZKeHU -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 00:23, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

John Flansburgh and Frank Black performance[edit]

I found this old video of John F. and Frank Black performing Istanbul via. Facebook. Couldn't find anything about the venue or the show, but I think it might have taken place on a boat? There was also a mention about a Valentine's Day yacht. They were called the "Ed Krattiger Blues Experience" and they also performed Dirt Bike, but there's no footage of them performing the song online currently. Does anyone have more information about this show? - Mrsomebodyelse (talk) 02:17, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

Your best bet might be to ask Ed himself - he's got contact info on his website. Let us know if you find anything else out! -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 10:49, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Info Club[edit]

I found a 1996 copy of the Info Club Newsletter with the letter Flansburgh's Brush with Greatness. Can't find any pages for these Info Club newsletters though, was wondering if I should scan and upload for the Wiki's use or if I'm just not looking in the right place. Typing "info Club" into the search just gives me TMBG Info Club FAQ.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 12:05, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

I don't think the wiki generally hosts scans of these sorts of things, but I'd be happy to take it for my site. The wiki does already have a a typed version of what you're talking about, on the Letters from J&J page, but you're absolutely right that this page is hard to find unless you know what you're looking for. Awhile ago I offered to take on the project of getting all this stuff organized/more findable, but then it got pushed to the back burner due to the million other projects I'm working on at any given time. But this is a reminder that it's important and I should bump it up the queue. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 14:39, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

Rarities collection[edit]

I heard a while back that they might be giants may be working on a rarities collection, like the EP songs, mrs train ext. Is this true? or was I mistaken. sep 16 2022 Pinata time

Flansburgh hinted on a KMSU interview last year (on Nov 19, 2021) that a vinyl compilation of Elektra B-sides and remixes is potentially in the works. No talk of it since then, but he also announced Mink Car on vinyl was coming on that interview and it did shortly after. To my understanding, TMBG has the rights to rerelease their Elektra material including the out-of-print '90s EPs but hasn't gotten to it yet. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 16:55, 16 September 2022 (EDT)

Another Alice Cooper reference?[edit]

Anyone ever note the similarities between Rat Patrol & Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies? The dynamics, guitar solos, & singing style (sort of) are a little uncanny. The lyrics not so much, other than they are a bit creepy. Another nod to the Godfather of Shock? Twitter: @timmyjim

ParticleMen profile photo[edit]

Does anyone know whose face is on TMBG's profile pic on YouTube? I thought it was William Allen White at first, but now I'm not so sure. - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

It’s New York governor Mario Cuomo! - FloridaFlamingoGirl talk

Band members past and present[edit]

Is there a page on the wiki that lists all of TMBG’s backup members, including ones who no longer work with the band like Dan Hickey, Brian Doherty, and Hal Cragin? I think it would be quite useful if there was one. As of now the Band Members page only lists the two Johns. - FloridaFlamingoGirl talk 14 November 2022, 1:00 PST

Yes. I found this by just looking at the individual page of one of the former members, Dan Hickey, and checking if there was anything listed--this is an easy method if you have a similar question in the future. That said, this could be a case where it's info that could be made more prominent/easy to find. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 04:47, 14 November 2022 (EST)
Also helpful (though perhaps incomplete) is Wikipedia's band timeline for TMBG. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 08:51, 14 November 2022 (EST)
Honestly the entire WP page needs a makeover, specifically the last paragraph. It's all over the place.--You&Me!! (talk) 09:18, 14 November 2022 (EST)
I would much rather go on TMBW than Wikipedia to learn anything about TMBG. Last I checked, the Wikipedia page for them made John Henry and Mink Car out to be massive failures that tarnished the band's career. -FloridaFlamingoGirl
That's based on critic reviews for John Henry and Mink Car (although beloved by fans), were not rated highly by critics upon release. TitanicFog (talk) 12:41, 15 November 2022 (EST)
It also lists a one-star The Guardian review of The Spine, but based on a review of a live show I think The Guardian just has a problem with TMBG in general. --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2022 (EST)

What is “Negative Ad”?[edit]

Seriously. Is it a new song? Is it a vibe report? An announcement? I need to know! - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

It was a cute 28-second video that advertised TMBG’s tour in the style of a political attack ad. -FloridaFlamingoGirl

We Are Meh![edit]

I saw that on TMBG's Youtube, they posted an official audio entitled: We Are Meh. Is this a rarity or an unreleased track? In the description it said that it was for a website. If anyone can research on this song, that would be awesome, and if anyone could make a page for it that would be awesome as well! Bluecanaryalex (talk) 11:44, 1 December 2022 (EST)

It's had a page for seven years: Meh (We Are Meh) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 13:21, 1 December 2022 (EST)
Oh! I never knew, LMAOOO Bluecanaryalex (talk) 14:10, 1 December 2022 (EST)
Category:Songs[1] and the search bar can be very helpful! TitanicFog (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2022 (EST)

Danny's Birthday[edit]

Happy 59th birthday, Mr. Weinkauf! The wikians wish you a very happy birthday :) Bluecanaryalex (talk) 11:19, 4 December 2022 (EST)

puppet jam article moves[edit]

fyi, recently a bunch of puppet jam articles were moved to pages with the "puppet jam: " prefix in the title, but the lyrics/interp/credits/etc. pages were not moved along with them. i keep thinking "oh i'll do it" and then forget --Ncrecc (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2022 (EST)

Done. - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

homestar links[edit]

Should we make interwiki links for homestarrunner.com, like we do for Youtube? - HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

I think we should! You might have to ask Jon about it, though, since I have no clue. Ms. Xcitement (talk) 13:43, 27 January 2023 (EST)

Tiny Toons and Birdhouse[edit]

It's the anniversary of the Tiny Toons music videos! It's also the anniversary of the Birdhouse In Your Soul single! Ms. Xcitement (talk) 07:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)

Coraline[edit]

Happy birthday to one of my favorite movies, Coraline! I adore the Other Father Song and the movie itself. Ms. Xcitement (talk) 07:43, 6 February 2023 (EST)

TMBW's Birthday[edit]

Happy birthday to TMBW!! Mrs.Xcitement (talk) 11:12, 25 February 2023 (EST)

Pesky ampersands[edit]

There's a formatting problem with show pages where the venue has an ampersand in its name. Check out this show at Hal & Mal's in Jackson, MS, or as it renders on the page, "Hal &#38; Mal's." Clicking through on the venue from the show page goes to a broken link, since the URL only gets the "Hal" bit. I tried changing the ampersand to &amp; on the 2008 page, but that makes it worse, turning the venue on the show page into "Hal &#38;amp&#59; Mal's." Yikes! This is also an issue for 4th & B in San Diego, e.g. here. --Octoflange (talk) 01:54, 2 March 2023 (EST)

i saw pesky ampersands and i thought you were talking about me :'( --You&Me!! (talk)
Thanks for noticing this bug! Just added a little rule to the Show Page template that should fix this. Let me know if you see any other issues with the change, as it's always possible a modification like this could inadvertently introduce other bugs. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 10:22, 2 March 2023 (EST)
Thanks for fixing! Here's a related issue... From the page for "Women & Men," if I click on the link for the song rating breakdown, the URL breaks after "Women" (like so). --Octoflange (talk) 03:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)

IFC 2023[edit]

Does anyone know when IFC 2023 will be? And on that note, what is the general price for IFC subscriptions? Thanks! — HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

No one knows except TMBG. There are usually 2 or 3 price tiers for IFC, with the first one coming in at $99 or lower. Here is the last offering from 2020 on archive.org for reference. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 19:51, 15 March 2023 (EDT)
At tonight's show JL took some pictures with one of his 3-D cameras and explained that they were attempting to create Viewmaster reels for the next offering, but he also admitted it might totally not work. (This does not directly answer your question, but I'm sharing anyway because a) it's tangentially related and b) it would be supercool if they did manage to pull it off.) --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 01:58, 16 March 2023 (EDT)

Apollo 18[edit]

HAPPY BDAY APOLLO 18!!! >_< Mrs.Xcitement (talk) 12:56, 20 March 2023 (EDT)

Megaphone pic[edit]

You know that image of the Johns speaking into megaphones? They've been using that photo a lot on their social medias, and I'm wondering. Where did that image come from? — HotelDetectiveInTheFuture🪗 talk 🎸

It came from a publicity photo session with photographer Sam Graff. I believe those photos began debuting in late 2019, initially around the release of the song "Social Media." -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 17:58, 17 April 2023 (EDT)

Hooray!![edit]

Hooray! It's Marty's birthday!! LowRiseJeans (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2023 (EDT)

password reset[edit]

password reset seems broken; i requested a password reset and never got one --96.230.216.95 21:38, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

Shows that happened today[edit]

Was thinking if instead of just "nothing important happened in TMBG history, there could be a link to "these shows happened today in TMBG history" Just a thought. Still chewing on it in my head.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 09:24, 8 May 2024 (EDT)

Dan Miller collaborates with William Shatner on new Shatner album[edit]

I don't have time to research the details at the moment, but I'm not seeing any mention of it here, so I wanted to give everyone a heads up that, according to the album's Bandcamp page (click on "Purchase Info" in the app), as well as William Shatner's recent interview with Adam Corolla, Shatner's new children's album, Where Will the Animals Sleep?, was "created in collaboration with longtime guitarist for They Might Be Giants, Dan Miller." The album doesn't have a Discogs page yet, but I hear Dan on backing vocals, and I assume he plays some guitar, at the very least, as well. The Bandcamp page has some images of the CD booklet, so you may be able to see more details there, though most of it was too small for me to make out on my phone. I assume at the very least this info should be added to the news section? Drew (talk)

This is super cool! Dan Miller is credited as a composer, producer, engineer, and performer, playing instruments and singing. Additionally, Marty Beller is credited with 'instruments and backing vocals' on "I'm A Coral See In The Coral Sea". Dan had this to say:
"I would like to thank Bill and Rob for their incredibly satisfying creativity and work. It's a joy to work with such talented and passionate people. Annette and Piper get the biggest thank you and love for putting up with me during this process and providing inspiration and support - I'm often a mess. Evan and Adam did amazing work and have my eternal thanks. Additional thanks go out to Marty Beller for the great song and Danny Weinkauf for just being great. Thanks to Cleopatra Records for their support and for keeping independent labels a living thing - amazing!"
I feel like the album is borderline deserving of a TMBW page since both Dan and Marty are on the album and Danny is specially thanked. Up to the admins I suppose. TitanicFog (talk) 12:55, 19 May 2024 (EDT)

TMBG Lemmy Community[edit]

I'm currently on Lemmy (startrek.website, to be exact). I was wondering whether there were any other fediverse people on this wiki and whether they'd be interested in started one. My instance doesn't allow starting new communities (as it is Star Trek-focused), so someone else would need to lets start it.

Update: I went off and started my own, This Might Be Lemmy!.

Proposing massive overhaul to 1983-1985 demo titles[edit]

Hi TMBW, I'm proposing a big change to remove the numbers and years off of various demo titles (eg. 1985 Demo, Demo 1, Demo 2) and replace them with more descriptive titles, such as "It's Not My Birthday (Lincoln Demo)" or "Finished With Lies (Nicolo Demo)". This mostly applies to TMBG's demos recorded between 1983 to 1985 that appeared on their demo tapes and will hopefully make the chronology tabs for these demos less messy, as well as fit with the overall theme of the rest of the demo pages, seeing as there's no "Snowball In Hell (1986 Demo)", "On The Drag (1996 Demo)" or "She's Actual Size (1991 Demo 1)". I typed up some potential titles for these pages to be moved to, as well as the merging of some of the promotional demos, similarly to how "I'm Def" has two 1985 mixes but has only one page:

Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 1) → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Butler Demo?) (Bill Krauss Demo?) (Handclap Demo?) (DMX Demo?) (Promotional Demo?)
Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 2) → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Promotional Demo)
Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo 3) → Put Your Hand Inside The Puppet Head (Demo)

Number Three (1984 Demo) → Number Three (Demo)
(Merge 1985 Demo into the album page since it’s a different mix of the same recording)

Don't Let's Start (1985 Demo) → Don’t Let’s Start (Demo)

You'll Miss Me (Demo 1) → You’ll Miss Me (Flexi Demo)
You'll Miss Me (Demo 2) → You’ll Miss Me (Demo)

Cowtown (1985 Demo 1) → Cowtown (Promotional Demo)
Cowtown (1985 Demo 2) → Cowtown (Demo)

Chess Piece Face (1985 Demo) → Chess Piece Face (Demo)

Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1984 Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Promotional Demo)
Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Home Demo) [since it’s a solo Flansburgh recording]
Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1985 Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Demo)
Youth Culture Killed My Dog (1985 Promotional Demo) → Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Sampler Demo)
[since promo tape #2 is also titled “TMBG Album Sampler”, it could also be merged into the 1985 demo tape version since it’s a different mix with extra overdubs]

(She Was A) Hotel Detective (1985 Demo) → (She Was A) Hotel Detective (Demo)

Hell Hotel (1983 Demo) → Hell Hotel (Original Demo) [since it appeared on the band's original demo]
Hell Hotel (1984 Demo) → Hell Hotel (Demo)

Nothing's Going To Change My Clothes → Nothing’s Gonna Change My Clothes (Demo)
[the promo version could be merged into this page into this page since it’s the same recording but a different mix]

They Might Be Giants (1984 Demo) → They Might Be Giants (Promotional Demo?) (Original Demo?)
They Might Be Giants (1985 Demo) → They Might Be Giants (Demo)
[Could also merge these two together since it’s the same recording but different mixes]

Everything Right Is Wrong (1984 Demo) → Everything Right Is Wrong Again (Demo?) (Promotional Demo?)
Everything Right Is Wrong → Everything Right Is Wrong Again (Demo?) (Flexi Demo?)

I'm hoping to get some opinions on this change and whether or not it'll be more beneficial for site readers, as the original page titles have stood untouched for years on this site. Thank you. − Mrsomebodyelse (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

it's funny that you propose this because the page titles were in fact originally more in line with that. the reason we switched is as we learned more about different tapes over the years the more cumbersome the descriptive names became. pages would have to be moved with every discovery. what's more, with the explosion of tapes we've learned about in the past 5 years or so, the band's lack of intentionality with these releases has become starkly apparent, which imo makes giving certain descriptive names rather arbitrary. e.g. we used to have a page [[You'll Miss Me (Flexi-Disc Version)]]; since then we've discovered that it also appears on two tapes, at least one of which probably(?) predates the flexi — thus tagging it with flexi/wiggle/whatever feels wrong. likewise, tacking "promotional" onto page titles that are already quite lengthy seems like unnecessary baggage.
i do strongly feel that the current system of years and/or numbers is the way to go. that said, i think there is definitely room for improvement within the system, but it should be dealt with a case by case basis. (for example i can see the argument for the two clothes demos being merged. but then what makes an edition of a song page-worthy? edits? mixes? that feels like an entirely different, very exhausting discussion with no clear answer). —ant 03:04, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
I do agree that the current system does have its flaws. It can require assuming the year and chronology of demos (though these details are still required elsewhere on the infoboxes and chronology pages, so assumptions still have to made with some demos regardless). Theres multiple tracks titled "1985 Demo" that were actually recorded in 1984. I however do not know about this proposed system. I'm fine with them being named after how the demos were recorded or what they recorded for, but I dont think pages should be named for what they ended up being released through when thats not what they were recorded for. There's already pages like this on the wiki, such as Hell Hotel (Podcast Demo), Youth Culture Killed My Dog (Bill Krauss Demo), Don't Let's Start (WFMU Demo), and On The Drag (IFC Demo), which were obviously not made for the podcast, Bill Krauss Demos, WFMU, and IFC respectively. I also not sure if any of these 1985 demos should be referred to as "promotional". Not sure if they were made specifically for those tapes or not.− Hailey821 (talk) 07:47, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
Yeah, I would like to add that I'm not a fan of calling demos "Podcast Demo" or "WFMU Demo" or "IFC Demo". These are clearly not what the demos were recorded for, but rather they just happened to be released via these platforms. In my personal collection I have these songs titled differently. TitanicFog (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
I'm really liking the idea of having the demos be named after what they were recorded for, but I'm realizing as I've read these that this might actually be a much bigger discussion than I originally thought since it extends sorta beyond the '83-'85 demos that I proposed. I would like to go about modifying these changes in a way that makes everyone happy (including me), but I'm curious to know whether or not this change would be better for the site or make it even more confusing than it may already be before I suggest some more ideas. − Mrsomebodyelse (talk) 17:20, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Malcolm in the Middle turns 25 tomorrow!!![edit]

Just wanted to announce because I'm super excited!!!! I know I'm a day early, but I'm super forgetful and I would have forgotten if I didn't put this up.

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