Talk:BOOK

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Potential tracks[edit]

Are there any candidates for this yet? --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 20:14, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

probably not, lol; if any news shows up we'll most likely hear something closer to 2020 :^) Snagwhag (talk) 22:47, 24 August 2019 (EDT)
I'm looking forward to "Synopsis For Latecomers." --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 18:22, 19 December 2019 (EST)

So...can we mark “I Broke My Own Rule” as a confirmed track? Acey (she purble) (talk)

I don't know what the precedent is for tracks confirmed on [REDACTED], but I think it's fine to divulge that information given that it's getting released a single soon, so it's not like it's that surprising. If someone wants to correct me on this, by all means. Next in Line (talk) 04:42, 8 May 2021 (EDT)

What I'm really excited about[edit]

So those songs that were previously released that are in the liner notes, are they gonna be in the album too? If they are, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE especially Let's Get This Over With, which was already on an official album, but TMBG has done that before (Older, Black Ops, She Thinks She's Edith Head, Token Back To Brooklyn). But if they are going to be on the album, I am super excited, because Dog, Unctuous Robot, and Best Regrets aren't on streaming services, but BOOK is going to be, so that's amazing, especially since Best Regrets is my all-time favorite song of all time, so it would be really cool for me to add it onto my Spotify playlists. Just a fantasy, just a thought, but that would be really cool. --You&Me!! (talk) 14:58, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

Those previously-released songs will be in the 12" art/lyrics hardcover book; not the actual album's (digital/CD/vinyl) liner notes. The 15 songs on BOOK are recorded for the album and are not from previous releases. But you should be able to add your own music (including MMR) to your Spotify account using a computer. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 15:14, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

single pattern[edit]

surely it is no coincidence that all the singles' names start with "I" right? - fork (talk) 22:27, 10 August 2021 (EDT)

You're not the only one to notice that, but according to Flans, it was pure chance.[1] --MisterMe (talk) 08:31, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Recording sessions[edit]

Some background info on the recording sessions for BOOK, placed here for posterity. At some point, parts of this should probably be incorporated somewhere on the page. --MisterMe (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2021 (EDT)

Singles[edit]

So far it feels like JF’s Singles are better than JL’s, maybe this is just my opinion but I lost Thursday and Super Cool outshine JL’s singles.

- spiralcape
I agree that Flan's are more catchy, but I do still enjoy the lyrics and tune of JL's a little more on a personal level --jimmyZenShinsThreeHundred11 (talk)
JL's songs this time around are kind of samey, as in they all have a repeating line that they keep bringing up, and I Can't Remember The Dream and Part Of You Wants To Believe especially sound eerily similar, like JL wrote all these songs at the same exact time with the same exact thing in mind. The only one that really sticks out to me is I Broke My Own Rule, because it's the first TMBG song explicitly about suicide. Meanwhile, Flansburgh's been amazing; I Lost Thursday is one of my favorite songs released in 2020, and Super Cool is wonderfully different than anything before. This and The Spine are the only albums that John Flansburgh outshines John Linnell, but while JF makes it just barely, because all the songs on The Spine are absolutely amazing, on this album, it's very obvious John Flansburgh has the upper edge. --You&Me!! (talk) 08:24, 14 October 2021 (EDT)

Took me a long time to warm up to Flans’s singles. Linnell’s are all great and I wouldn’t call them “samey” personally. They all have a very unique sound to em in my opinion. Maybe not Part Of You Wants To Believe Me as much, but I love that one too. It’s just JL’s style and it’s a damn good one. Not to mention, ICRTD is no doubt my favorite song from 2021 so far and one my favorites of theirs in the last couple years. --Lukehennisch (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2021 (EDT)

Is anyone else weirdly hyped for the song titled "Wait Actually Yeah No"?[edit]

This song's title already makes it seem like it could be the all-time most humorous They Might Be Giants song, even more humorous than some of the other songs that have previously held this title (Kiss Me Son Of God, Memphis, When Will You Die)--You&Me!! (talk) 14:19, 20 October 2021 (EDT)

Sounds like it might be a contradictory song like I'm Not A Loser, where he gets into like, pentuple negatives or something. --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2021 (EDT)

I know this is totally against the rules and stuff, but...[edit]

I want to know if the cd is inside the book or is in a separate thing with it's own liner notes, or are the liner notes the lyric art? IFC members, I apologize, i just need clarification, because I love the cover so much and it would suck if the CD was inside the book without the cover art. If you answer this I will remove all anti-IFC stuff from my userpage --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 10:07, 21 October 2021 (EDT)

There are two versions of the CD that can be purchased: the standalone disc ($12) or the book+CD set ($49). The standalone disc comes with the standard cover art (broken piece of vinyl on the sidewalk) and I believe the book+CD set does not have that art as the disc comes inside the book. IFC 2020 subscriptions include the book+CD set. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 10:16, 21 October 2021 (EDT)
That's what I thought, alright thanks, I hope the art is inside the artbook. --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 10:30, 21 October 2021 (EDT)

lyrics???[edit]

the genius page for book has lyrics for almost all the unreleased songs...where did these come from??? i hope they werent leaked from ifc or something - fork (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2021 (EDT)

IFC members began receiving physical copies of BOOK last week. Someone who likely didn't know better posted lyrics from some of the songs to Genius. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 14:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)
I am resisting the urge to look these up, could someone report those pages? --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk)
Just saying, I found what I assume to be CapitalQ, to have edited the lyrics of Moonbeam Rays. Cool. --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 09:59, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
Indeed, the lyrics that were initially submitted (by "naturalkatsup") contained dozens of errors and question marks. I don't have the ability to remove those lyrics from Genius, but I felt the next best thing would be to ensure TMBG fans could see accurate lyrics for those songs. Thousands of lyric sites across the internet automatically copy their content from Genius and it would've been painful to see them all populated with incorrect/incomplete lyrics from BOOK. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 12:03, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
I totally get it, I think it's better to have accurate leaked information then inaccurate leaked information. This helped me work on my BOOK review, by the way -⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2021 (EDT)

BOOK BOOK BOOK[edit]

I think we should put in previews from the recent article with Paul Sahre, on November 12 --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 07:40, 27 October 2021 (EDT)

Release Date?[edit]

in an interview on OCTOBER 27th, they said the album was on Oct. 29th, what? --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 13:14, 28 October 2021 (EDT)

That was the release date a few months ago before shipping delays that moved it into November. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 14:28, 28 October 2021 (EDT)
Interesting, they must've gotten it wrong. --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 15:25, 28 October 2021 (EDT)

The Leak- BOOK full album video[edit]

ok, who leaked BOOK? I heard it got 1K views from fork. Apparently, some jerk abused the IFC power and released the full album on YouTube, please tell me they were brought to justice by the Johns. --Jeffjman (talk) 10:01, 3 November 2021 (EDT)

Dude who really cares? Mr. Klaw (talk)

The most disappointing Mr. Klaw comment. I get annoyed when anyone leaks anything no matter the artist. Don’t leak an artist whether it’s tmbg or even freakin kanye 100.35.196.32

Lifting our embargo[edit]

In addition to thousands of fans having already heard the album via IFC, the official TMBG Shop has been shipping out versions of BOOK for a few weeks, so many non-IFC fans have physical copies of the album as well. I think we're good to unlock the pages at this point with the album hitting streaming/digital this Friday. I'll be posting lyrics from an official PDF, with some minor cleanup to fit our standard styles. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 10:28, 9 November 2021 (EST)

Hahah, a few minutes into this process, TMBG coincidentally made the album downloadable for everyone who preordered on the shop. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 11:54, 9 November 2021 (EST)

Luke's Track Rankings[edit]

Now that BOOK is available as a download, I thought, “why not finally share my track ranking and some short reviews of each track?” I already love this album so much, so you’re gonna notice me pass out 10/10s to a lot of these songs. Join in, post yours as well!

1. I Can't Remember The Dream - Loved it right as I first heard it. Haven’t gotten sick of it in the slightest since its IFC release and continued on to be my favorite from the album. Perfectly catchy with some classic upbeat Linnell melodies with daunting lyricism (in the absolute best way possible) and an amazing guitar riff. Truly the highlight (alongside my next favorite track) from the album in my opinion. 10/10

2. Brontosaurus - Right as this song came on I started freaking out. Linnell’s power-pop side has almost always been my favorite section of TMBG and this has already become one of my favorites in that realm. With absolutely amazing and invoking lyricism and a painfully wonderful melody that I haven’t been able to get out of my head, Brontosaurus holds strong as being the best non-single track and maybe in the future my absolute #1 favorite on the album. It’s entirely possible... 10/10

3. Drown The Clown - “The presents job is to drown the clown...” I immediately knew this would be in my top 3 once I heard that Instagram snippet from back in December. It’s so damn catchy! The organ sound gets stuck in my head so often and fits the circus-y sound so well. The lyricism on this song is also very reflective of something like The Spine maybe? Can’t exactly pinpoint it, but I think that’s probably it. 10/10

4. Synopsis For Latecomers - An opener really makes an album for me. If an album doesn’t have a good opener it immediately sets a bad mindset for the album, as good as that album maybe. Luckily Synopsis for Latecomers did not disappoint. I was a little thrown off until the distorted guitars swooped in with a dark tone. Man. This song is unbelievable. It is such a haunting choice for an opener which really lit up a sign in my brain saying, “TMBG is back!” Another dark aspect to this song is the flat-out horrifying line, “who ate the babies?” which made me audibly say out loud, “Jesus Christ.” 10/10

5. Less Than One - Wasn’t big on this song too much at first, but upon second listen it zoomed straight up my track ranking. The chord changes are so powerful and like Synopsis, give the song a really eerie and dark tone. Some more classic Linnell lyricism about broken radios and stuff. Love it so much. Could definitely see this joking the top 3 at some point. 10/10

6. Moonbeam Rays - Such a beautiful track. Loved it right as I heard it, but that was enforced once I saw the live in-studio version I feel bad not including this in my top 5, but there are too many great tracks. I love Flans’ heartbreak tracks. They’re always so pretty. 10/10

7. Lord Snowdon - Reporting for service! Another wonderful track that oddly reminds me of Christmas shopping sprees (due to the line about shopping sprees). The horns really make this song for me. Right as I heard that little horn melody in the chorus the song went from being pretty good to amazing. The horns on Thisbe album are the best they’ve ever been. 9/10

8. Wait Actually Yeah No - Another track where the horns shine so brightly. I love when Linnell does these kind of listing songs like this. But not just any listing songs, lists of stuff that are completely random and have no relation to each other. Such a smooth sounding song. Love it! 9/10

9. Part Of You Wants To Believe Me - I really liked this song when it released as a single, but once I heard it on the album, I loved it! Such a fun, almost toy-ish sounding melody that makes me smile each time. The use of synths, bongos and whatever that guitar sound is make that feeling shine through. Linnell’s vocals on this song are particularly amazing, I’m not sure why. Love this song so much. 9/10

10. I Broke My Own Rule - I hate ranking this track seemingly low because it’s such a great song, there’s just too many other great songs too. This is another song I really liked before the album, but now love after hearing the album. Linnell’s lyricism on this song is just mind-blowing and the bridge in this song is one of the best bridges I ever heard. The toy piano is also delightful. Because of all these reasons I wanna raise this so much higher, but I don’t want to go back and move everything lol. 9/10

11. I Lost Thursday - I remember really liking this when it first released...like over a year ago. And then I kind of got sick of it, then liked it again, then got sick of it...But once I heard the album, the song finally radiated to me, as did almost all singles. The punchy slap bass on this song is just...wow. And the synth-y sounds and Flans’ vocals... More and more I like this song. Great track. 8/10

12. Quit The Circus - I reaaally did not like this one when I first heard it, I’m not sure why. It’s so pretty. The horns make it so grand and so pretty. I wish I could rate this one higher because it’s just another wonderful and beautiful song. I don’t exactly know what this song is about, but the final lyrics of the song and the lines, “to scare off this old ghost, the one I fear the most” just blows me away. I don’t know why, but those lines are so emotional to me. I love this into Less Than One too. Almost reminds me of I Can Hear You into The Bells Are Ringing. 8/10

13. If Day For Winnipeg - I really didn’t know how to feel about this one at first. It’s so unconventional and simply odd. But I love it. The weird synth(?) and whatever stringed instrument that is make this sound nothing like a TMBG song. Which is so great. It’s such a unique song and a great place of exploration. It’s so oddly catchy. I love the urgency in Flans’ “IF DAY IS FOR EVERYONE.” It’s downright haunting. It somehow feels like some song that’d be playing in some apocalyptic time. Great and simply unique song. 8/10

14. Super Cool - Unfortunately, this is the only single I liked better before the album. It’s a good song and very catchy aside from the horn melody in the beginning, I reaaaally don’t like it. The rest of the song is very good and I love Flans’ relaxed vocals and Linnell’s atmospheric harmonies. It’s a SUPER COOL song, just don’t get why it was a single. 7/10

15. Darling, The Dose - Only song I'm really not big on. It’s fine, but it’s just kind of annoying knowing a better song (I don’t know which ones, but there were many unreleased outtakes) probably could’ve replaced it. It’s still catchy though. 6/10

That took awhile... Note that this is completely my opinion and that it could change, but right now this is my solidified ranking. A truly great album, but I mean c’mon, of course, it’s TMBG. --Lukehennisch (talk) 17:39, 10 November 2021 (EST)

fork's track rankings[edit]

1. Brontosaurus - 10/10

2. Quit The Circus - 10/10

3. If Day For Winnipeg - 9/10

4. I Can’t Remember The Dream - 9/10

5. Drown The Clown - 9/10

6. I Broke My Own Rule - 9/10

7. I Lost Thursday - 8/10

8. Moonbeam Rays - 8/10

9. Part Of You Wants To Believe Me - 8/10

10. Synopsis For Latecomers - 8/10

11. Less Than One - 8/10

12. Super Cool - 8/10

13. Wait Actually Yeah No - 7/10

14. Darling, The Dose - 6/10

15. Lord Snowdon - 6/10

i'll add these + the pamphlet to my slide on my userpage - fork (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2021 (EST)

first couple critiques about the album and its songs[edit]

I will say this, I don't usually like albums when they release because I critique them on everything. Give me about month and my opinions will change greatly. For example, I used to absolutely despise John Henry, but now it's my 7th favorite album. So for this album to just have come out and for it to already be at the #11 spot is tremendous. But because it just came out, here are all my current critiques:

  1. Synopsis For Latecomers- John altered his voice again. I don't like it when he does that.
  2. Moonbeam Rays- I praised this song when it came out on YouTube, and I stand by my opinion, the video version is my 2nd favorite TMBG song of all time, and is the only song ever released in the history of ever that I like the live version of it more than the album version. The album version doesn't have what I liked about the video version. I likened it back to Best Regrets (my favorite TMBG song), but the album version doesn't have any of that same energy. It's still probably an 8/10 for me, but boy, did they botch this up.
  3. Lord Snowdon- I think it's kind of dumb as of now, but I haven't listened to that much of it, so hopefully, it can change my mind (unlike Drown The Clown, which I already know is dumb, but I like the song anyway)
  4. Darling, The Dose- Kind of lost on me, as it's lost on everyone else, I see. Kind of just out there with no real purpose.
  5. Wait Actually Yeah No- I'll explain my disappointment later. 3/10

That's about it for now, though! This is the first time I've actually been hyped with a new TMBG album coming out, so there was way more to look forward to (and the other way around)--You&Me!! (talk) 14:53, 13 November 2021 (EST)

My opinion[edit]

I might leave full rankings later, but for now, my favorite song is Part Of You Wants To Believe Me and my least favorite is Wait Actually Yeah No. The best song of all, though, is There Will Be Sad. --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2021 (EST)

Way Late book ranks[edit]

1. Synopsis for Latecomers- 10/10

2. If Day For Winnipeg- 10/10

3. Less than One- 10/10

4. Super Cool- 10/10

5. Part of You wants to believe me -9/10

6. I Can't Remember the Dream-9/10

7. I Broke My Own Rule-9/10

8. Quit the Circus-8/10

9. Drown The Clown-8/10

10. Brontosaurus -8/10

11. Moonbeam Rays- 8/10

12. I Lost Thursday- 8/10

13. Lord Snowdon- 8/10

14. Darling the Dose- 7/10

15. Wait Actually Yeah No- 7/10

I'll explain for people who want me to, on my userpage, or on discord or something --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 07:22, 16 November 2021 (EST)

BOOK Book cover bowed[edit]

The cover of my copy of the BOOK art book bowed. I think this is because I kept the cd out of the envelope for a while. :/ --⇂⇂↋ suᴉɥsuǝZ ʎɯɯᴉᒋ (talk) 08:17, 29 November 2021 (EST)

ACTUAL BOOK RANKINGS[edit]

Hey, I forgot to post my BOOK ranking because I am a doofus.

  1. Brontosaurus- Sorry I forgot my ranking I'm too busy rocking out to that amazing saxophone/guitar line.
  2. Less Than One- A great song. Glad we ended on this and not Quit The Circus.
  3. I Lost Thursday- Loved it as soon as I heard it. My first 10/10 on the album
  4. I Broke My Own Rule- Great song about suicidal tendencies
  5. I Can't Remember The Dream- Great, but I think spot number 4 deserved the video more
  6. Drown The Clown- I thought this was gonna be the stupidest thing ever but in reality I love this song
  7. Part Of You Wants To Believe Me- I used to not like this one for seemingly no reason
  8. Moonbeam Rays- Too bad it's the studio version, because the live video version is my 2nd favorite TMBG song, and there's such a drastic difference between them
  9. Lord Snowdon- Surprisingly likeable
  10. Super Cool- Good song, like the horse clops
  11. Synopsis For Latecomers- Fine opener, but doesn't live up to the best TMBG line of all time "Who ate the babies?"
  12. Darling, The Dose- Not as bad as people say it is
  13. If Day For Winnipeg- Would be higher, but the tuba FX are jarring
  14. Wait Actually Yeah No- Slow with great horns
  15. Quit The Circus- Slow with good horns

Overall, my 11th favorite album, between Mink Car at 10th and Pink at 12th--You&Me!! (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2021 (EST)

My ranking[edit]

From best to worst:

  1. Part of You Wants to Believe Me
  2. Drown the Clown
  3. Moonbeam Rays
  4. Lord Snowdon
  5. Less than One
  6. If Day for Winnipeg
  7. I Broke My Own Rule
  8. I Can't Remember the Dream
  9. Brontosaurus
  10. Super Cool
  11. I Lost Thursday
  12. Synopsis for Latecomers
  13. Darling, the Dose
  14. Quit the Circus
  15. Wait Actually Yeah No

--ColorOfInfinity (talk) 22:42, 15 January 2022 (EST)

Song ratings[edit]

The ratings list isn't working, but based on the logs this is what every song would have if it were:

Synopsis For Latecomers: 8.73/10

Moonbeam Rays: 8.10/10

I Broke My Own Rule: 8.14/10

Brontosaurus: 9.41/10

Lord Snowdon: 8.27/10

If Day For Winnipeg: 8.38/10

I Can’t Remember The Dream: 9.08/10

Drown The Clown: 8.72/10

Darling, The Dose: 6.89/10 (but has fewer than 10 votes)

I Lost Thursday: 7.86/10

Part Of You Wants To Believe Me: 8.10/10

Super Cool: 7.76/10

Wait Actually Yeah No: 7.82/10

Quit The Circus: 8.00/10

Less Than One: 8.94/10

--ColorOfInfinity (talk) 22:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)

Photos?[edit]

Should the song pages include the photos which accompany the song lyrics in the book? It's clear that at least some of these were intended to go with the song (see the one for Less than One in particular). --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 23:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)

I think that's a good idea. (I also think that the picture for Lord Snowdon fits as well)--You&Me!! (talk) 07:31, 31 January 2022 (EST)