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I just got the CD because I heard that the liner notes were something special, and boy are they. They feature "A Fairly Complete List of They Might Be Giants Gigs Since 1985". It lists plenty of dates that aren't on this site. For example, there are 31 dates listed for 1985, and only the last two are on here. Only four of the 22 dates listed for 1986 are here, and so on. Unfortunately, the venues aren't listed, only dates and cities. Is it worth copying the data? --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
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== London 4/2/16 ==
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:I say go ahead.  We can always try to gather the missing info at a later date.  Copy as much as you can!  --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 11:32, 3 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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:I heartily second this sentiment. I would love to see what we're missing. We've just been putting "unknown" when we haven't known the venue, if you want to keep it uniform. Thanks for offering! &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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Shouldn't some-one change this venue to Electric Ballroom?
  
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:Okay, I have just added the 29 dates listed for [[Shows/1985|1985]] and the 18 listed for [[Shows/1986|1986]]. Can one of you fine wikians create the individual pages for them? Or could that be a job for [[User:ThisMightBeABot|ThisMightBeABot]]? Should there be some kind of notation to indicate the source? (User's Guide)
 
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:That's going to be it for today, 1987 and 1988 <i>each</i> have about *85* dates listed (with stops in Europe at the end of '87), and we only have like fifteen of them total. That's going to take a while. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
 
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::Awesome, I love seeing the lists growing. Also, I was thinking, if you wanted to try automating the process somewhat, I have OCR software so if I had scans of the pages I could run them through and generate the text immediately rather than having to type it all out manually, and then converting the raw text to a wiki table could be done quickly with a script. If there isn't a ''huge'' amount of data though this might not actually be much more efficient than just doing it all by hand. Just a thought I had.
 
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::Re: individual show pages, we haven't been creating them until we have any info about the show other than the date/city/venue. There really wouldn't be anything to say on the page that hadn't already been shown in the table, and actually I kind of like it that I can tell with a glance at the red or blue links whether there's more info or not (they're kind of like the helpful colored asterisks on the old tmbg.net pages). But, y'know, whatever. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
 
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:::It just hit me that 1991 is completely ommited from the list, <i>finally</i> setting to rest the mystery of <i>"Didn't TMBG Play <b>Any</b> Shows In 1991?!"</i>
 
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::::If there is a way that someone can scan the info into a text file, i can set up [[User:ThisMightBeABot|ThisMightBeABot]] to read the files, and import them.  Just let me know ahead of time, so that we can agree on some sort of file format.  But, it shouldn't be too complicated (at least on my end).  --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 16:02, 4 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 
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:::::Okay, I just converted the [[Shows/1987|1987]] dates from the scan [[User:TDK|TDK]] sent me. The OCR software is doing quite a good job with recognition (I'm using [http://www.irislink.com/opt/uk/products/readiris/mac/index.html Readiris for Mac]) which makes it pretty quick since I have almost nothing that needs to be corrected by hand. One non-conversion problem I noticed, I checked against what we already had on the page and merged the info, ''but'' the [[Shows/1987-06-23|1987-06-23]] page has got me stumped, because the ''User's Guide'' lists that date as being in Charlottesville while our page had Richmond on that date. That's not such a big deal except there's a whole setlist there (I believe this show is a fairly commonly-shared bootleg) and I don't know what we should do with the info&mdash;move it to [[Shows/1987-01-19|1987-01-19]] which according to the ''UG'' is in Richmond, or what? And what about all those poor people with the bootleg who now don't know exactly where it's from? :P
 
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:::::And a similar problem with [[Shows/1988-06-17]].
 
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:::::[[Shows/1990|1990]] was a weird one&mdash;we actually already had more dates than They list, although we were also missing a few that are in the booklet. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
 
  
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Okay, the ''User's Guide'' updates are done. There really wasn't much to add/change from 1992 on (good job tmbg.net!). I didn't notice any other major problems besides the ones already cited above&mdash;I generally assumed the ''UG'' was correct when there were small discrepancies, e.g. a date off by 1 day. I was also glad that I was finally able to solve the problem I noticed when we initially imported the dates, of how They were able to play in both Australia and New Zealand in the same day (answer: they didn't). Thanks again [[User:TDK|TDK]]! &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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== Formatting ==
  
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You got it. Thanks for doing most of the work. By the way, did you know that the tmbg.net shows archive was started using my tape list (that's not on my site anymore) as a base? -[[User:TDK|TDK]]
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What happened? I see vertical lines and stuff. --[[User:Veggieman|veggieman]].//[[User talk:Veggieman|(leave a message after the click?)]] 15:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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:No, I had no idea. Cool. (I was probably barely aware of the internet when the archive started. How things have changed. :P ) &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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:Sorry, sorry. That's my fault. There was a disasterous attempt to edit with my phone internet and my phone and the Wiki apparently don't get along. Now it won't let me fix it. I'd be much obliged if someone could fix that for me. [[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]]
  
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== resuscitating the tmbg.net shows archive ==
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== Ticket stub uploading, etc. ==
  
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I'd love to see the all old data from tmbg.net reproduced here.  I toyed with the idea of putting it all on my own site, but I've decided it's more work than I want to do on my own. :P
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I am able to take photos of my tickets, but I do not have a scanner currently. Would you prefer if I wait until I have a scanner available? --[[User:Lemita|Lemita]] 20:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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:I would say to wait and scan them, probably.  In the meantime, if there's any info on them that we don't have (show time, opening acts, etc), you can help fill them in!  Thanks. --Duke33 01:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  
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Before we jump in and fire up the Wayback Machine, though, I think we should give some thought to the organization and presentation of it all.  I tend to think we'll need to split the master list by year.  Some other things to consider:
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== Should mystery shows be added? ==
  
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Do we want a show's setlist to appear on the same page as its fan recaps?  If they're on separate pages, do we want to link to them from a single list of show dates, or should they have separate lists?  How do we want to format the setlists?
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TMBG posted on Twitter that the KNOW they'll play in San Diego, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, New York, Washington DC, Chicago, Boston, and Atlanta.[http://twitter.com/#!/tmbg/status/40561045072257024] Should we add those with question marks in most of the info slots, or should they be left out until we know more specific details? --[[User:Super Martyo Brother|SMB]] 03:07, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
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:no. no point in adding things we know nothing about yet.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 03:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
  
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With the user profiles we already have, it'd be cool for each profile to be able to list "Shows I've Attended" and/or "My Reviews."  (I had envisioned this kind of thing down the road for tmbg.net, but alas.)  Once all the show data is on the wiki, it's easy enough to insert the links into your own profile by hand.  It would be nice to reverse this too, such that each show's page lists the wikians who were in attendance. :)
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== On Setlist But Not Played ==
  
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I'm certain there must be more ideas that I'm not thinking of.
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When adding a song to a show page that was on the setlist but not played, it still gets counted in the known performances tally.  Any suggestions on how to handle this?  -[[User:thevince|thevince]] 22 September 2011
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--[[Bryce]]
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:What we do is place an html comment (<nowiki><!-- --></nowiki>) between the asterisk and the song name. This prevents the song from being counted by the system, and it's applied on most show pages, but if you see one that doesn't have it commented off the setlist, just edit it in! -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 15:50, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
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::Okay, here's sort of the opposite situation.  [[Hall Of Heads]] is listed as having three performances.  The [[Shows/2003-06-08|2003-06-08]] entry is for two shows.  The song was played at both shows.  This means this song's actually been played four times.  So, how does the count get corrected?  Split the [[Shows/2003-06-08|2003-06-08]] page into two?  Are most two shows in one day entries combined on the same page? -[[User:thevince|thevince]] 28 September 2011
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:::Days on which there were two shows should be divided into "show a" (earlier show) and "show b" (later show), e.g. Shows/2003-06-08a and Shows/2003-06-08b. These should each have individual setlists, etc. Sometimes this is impossible because there isn't enough information about which show was which, but in this case it looks like both sets were the same and two pages can be made. I'm not sure which the recap belongs on, though. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 16:48, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
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::::It's the 7:30 PM show. It says Spin The Dial on the recap.
  
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Bryce, I would love to see all that stuff up here too. I'm not too good at planning the organization, but I'd be more than happy to help out with the purely mechanical work of transferring the info to the wiki when it's been decided how it should be arranged. So count me in on this project. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|Aliste]]
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== Since there are no more 2011 shows... ==
  
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I think that's a great idea.  i'd be willing to help with the transfer also. [[User:No Mo|No Mo]] 16:31, 2 Mar 2005 (EST)
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Is it a good idea to make a 'Shows/2011' page now? [[User:SamuelMan36|SamuelMan36]] 20:02, 10 December 2011 (EST)
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:What about the secret show? ~ [[user:magbatz|magbatz]] 20:32, 10 December 2011 (EST)
  
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:I'm going to attempt some regular expression magic to turn the rest of [http://web.archive.org/web/20040205121835/www.tmbg.net/shows.html these] into the wiki format. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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== Australia 2013 ==
  
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::I've been working on this a bit too, and am almost done with the 1992 list (I've been working from the bottom), so that one's taken care of.
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There aren't actual venues or cities yet, but the Australia tour dates are listen on High Road Touring. 11 shows between April 26th and May 11th of 2013. It seems a little premature to make individual show listings for them when the only available info is the date, but would it be worth it to include a sentence about the planned dates on the show page, similar to what we did with the announced cities last year before the tour was official announced? Something along the lines of "They Might Be Giants plan to tour Australia in 2013, with 11 shows tentatively scheduled between April 26th and May 11. Cities and venues have yet to be announced." Thoughts? --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 21:03, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
  
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Took me a couple minutes to get the process down, but I can do these in no time now. The process is:
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== HRT source link ==
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#search for <nowiki>"(\d*)/(\d*)/(\d*)-(.*)-(.*)\n"</nowiki>
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#replace with <nowiki>"|-\n| [[Shows/19$3-$1-$2|19$3-$1-$2]]\n| $4\n| $5\n"</nowiki>
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&mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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What to do about the unknown dates? See 1992 for example. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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Can someone with the power to fix the template update the link to High Road Touring in the Sources section? They updated their website and the current link no longer works. The new one is: http://www.highroadtouring.com/artists/they-might-be-giants/itinerary/ Thanks! --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 11:39, 3 January 2013 (EST)
  
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:Yeah, those are annoying me. Where it's just the day of the month missing, I've left the day as question marks; for [[Shows/1992|1992]] there were several with no information at all, so as you can see I stuck them down at the bottom in their own lonely corner. I was thinking if by some miracle someone can come up with the date eventually, then the show can be moved into its proper place. Re: reverse chronological order, that was just the way the past shows were on the old page, so I copied them over that way, which in retrospect probably wasn't wise. It is indeed a pain in the ass to reverse the list, but now that most of the year pages are done, it'll be another pain in the ass to change them back. However, I'm not averse to having them in the normal order if somebody wants to change them back. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]] 17:32, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
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:Fixed it! The template is at [[Shows/Source]], if you ever need to edit it. :) Great seeing you at the last 3 shows! -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 12:17, 3 January 2013 (EST)
  
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::I use [http://www.kaina-drivingbelt.com timing belt], and it has a reverse lines macro. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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::Oh cool! I was assuming it was one of those protected templates I couldn't fix on my own. Thank you! And also likewise on the shows! --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] 12:45, 3 January 2013 (EST)
  
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:::So...you're volunteering to reverse everything? :P Seriously, I personally don't care which way it goes as long as it's consistent through all the pages. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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== Opening acts helping TMBG ==
  
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::::Not exactly volunteering, I was just mentioning it because you said it was a PITA to reverse the list initially. It would be easy enough to re-reverse them if not for the comments on opening acts, etc. under some of the rows. The thing about regular expressions is that you need patterns. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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I attended the Indigo Girls concert last night in Orlando and they had the opening act, The Shadowboxers, play some instruments for them almost throughout the show. It got me thinking, how many times has TMBG "allowed" the opening act to come back on stage and play with them? And if so, to what extent? A lot of these show pages don't specify anything more than a setlist and the fact that the opening act was so-and-so at such-and-such venue, so I'm not sure this is a topic that is viable to research based on such scant information... --[[User:MisterMe|MisterMe]] 11:44, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
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:all i can think of off the top of my head is corn mo.  --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 12:16, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
  
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:::::No, you're right, the initial reversal isn't really a problem. But now that everything's split into separate lines with the markings for the table formatting, it's gotten more annoying. It could certainly still be done with a bit of finagling. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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== Festival shows set times ==
  
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::::::Nice work on reversing the dates. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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If TMBG are doing a festival show (ie the "Groovin The Moo" festival shows in Australia), do you add the time the festival gates open to the show time, or do you add the time the band is set to go on stage? --[[User:RWS|JustinBoy]] ([[User talk:RWS|talk]]) 07:26, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
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:The time TMBG goes on. --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] ([[User talk:BlueCanary|talk]]) 17:07, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
  
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:::::::Heh, thanks. The reverse chronological order thing was really starting to bother me, because it definitely is counterintuitive, so I figured we should go ahead and switch everything right away, before people got used to the other way. A little bit of search-and-replace/sort/search-and-replace took care of the re-reversal pretty quickly. I did like the list of years going backward into the past on the front page, but then I realized if I stuck the navigation bar in there instead it would accomplish the same thing in less space and make all the Shows pages consistent. And thanks for converting all those dates from the archived tmbg.net stuff. I think our new Shows pages look pretty good. :) &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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== Duplicate Show Attendance ==
  
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There is something wonky going on with the show page. The first show on the upcoming list is showing up twice on the show attendance records of each person marked as attending. Once like normal, and then again with the time and ages listed in the "notes" section. And it is always the top show on the list, even after shows are moved down to recent. You can see an example on my own show attendance list. Right now the Iowa City show is on there twice. But when that gets moved, it'll be Des Moines that is doubled. I've hunted around a little on the page to see if I can find anything that might be causing it and I haven't turned up anything. Time for the experts to take a stab! --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] ([[User talk:BlueCanary|talk]]) 02:17, 2 June 2013 (EDT)
  
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== reorganizing main Shows page? ==
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:Thanks for letting me know.  I'll take a look. --Duke33 10:35, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
  
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Okay, I moved the shows that are no longer "upcoming" to "past," but I'd like to organize this page even more, especially if we are going to move the old tmbg.net stuff over. If we leave it in the current single-list format for all shows throughout history it'll be completely overwhelming, and impossible to navigate. It's hardly comprehensible at its current length (IMO). I like [[User:Bryce|Bryce]]'s idea of a separate page for each year (leaving current/past shows from the current year on the front [[Shows]] page?). And then once we have a place for everything we can start moving all the tmbg.net stuff to its tidy new home. Comments, suggestions, objections? &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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== two things ==
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# i think it's time to start archiving this page. it's ridiculously long, and we could easily knock off the first fifty discussion threads.
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# i think we need to establish a standard for shows played in New York City. I can't really tell which is more common, but sometimes we put "New York, NY" and sometimes we put instead "[Borough], NY". lately it seems like we're leaning more toward borough? to be honest, i don't have much of a preference, although i am kind of drawn to the specificity of distinction between each borough &mdash; on the other hand, that separates NYC shows in show search results. either way, i think we should stick with one format. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 15:50, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
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:i don't plausibly see anyone replying to #1 so i just did it. i'm putting it [[Talk:Shows/Archive 1|here]]. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 20:28, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
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::# I second the need to archive so thanks for that.
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::# Some quick internet research tells me that, unless you are in Manhattan (which nearly always uses NY, NY), listing the borough where you are located as your city is common practice in mailing addresses. Personally I would tend to go with however the venue lists their own address on their website/tickets, which is usually Borough, NY. I can't speak for all of the very early NYC dates, but on a quick spot check, the last decade or so of shows listed as NY, NY actually took place in Manhattan. There is a not insignificant list of shows that claim Brooklyn, NY as their location, and a very, very small smattering of listings for Queens/Long Island City. My point being that I think the format of "Borough, NY" is pretty well established, considering that Manhattan and Brooklyn are most likely to be the site of a venue in NYC.
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::# This question also brings up another point. I have noticed that there is a semi-frequent issue of consistency in show listings, in general, which affects the show search results. For example some venues have some entries with a "The" included in their name as well as ones without. Spelling theater with an "er" versus an "re" on the end has also split some listings. And the one I see most often is inconsistency in the city where a venue is located. For example, though I actually fixed this already, there had been listings for Mr. Small's both in Pittsburgh and in Millvale, PA. The venue is actually located in Millvale. The band tends to list Mr. Small's tour stops as being "Pittsburgh." Should we be siding with the generalization or actual geography? (The most confusing example of this I have seen is with "Cincinnati" shows which are sometimes actually in Kentucky.)
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::#  And lastly, how difficult would it be to make the archived show pages searchable by state alone, without a city? Because I know, personally, I have at times been curious how many times they have played a particular state, or when the last time they visit a state was, and was unable to find that information without examining the pages for each individual year. I feel like someone, perhaps new to the wiki, who was trying to locate a show they saw way back when, might easily remember what state it was in but not the specific city or venue or even year. (It also would have been helpful just now when I was trying to see how many NYC boroughs had show listings, and it would help identify other inconsistencies in venue listings.). I know absolutely nothing about how that search feature works so it might be impossible or far too cumbersome, but it might be something to consider. --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] ([[User talk:BlueCanary|talk]]) 20:45, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
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:::#yay, post facto consensus
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:::#well that just confuses things more. i'm still not sure which we should go with &mdash; although, and this is related to #4, it might be best to list boroughs if we could have them all show up in a search for "New York City" or "New York"! it should be easy to figure out where earlier shows were just by googling the venue.
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:::#i have no idea what to do about Mr. Smalls, to be honest.
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:::#i think that's within the realm of possibility, if the data in city parameter were just exploded??? or, perhaps, whatever that new fangled MW thing is. in any case, all the information is there for this to be a valid possibility, so i don't see why not. but i'm bad with most parser functions that don't have "if" in them! anyway, i think the show search function can and should be expanded. i guess it's just a matter of time. -[[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 22:54, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
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::::While we are on the subject of potential improvements to be made to the Shows page, I have two other suggestions.
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::::First, when shows are moved from the Upcoming list to the Recent list, some of the information in the listing is lost. Most of it, like the ticket link, directions to the venue, age limits, etc, are no longer necessary, but there are a couple of pieces of information that are, most specifically the time of the show and the opener. These pieces of info are added back in when the show page is created for the show. This is fine when the show page is created immediately. But in some instances it can be weeks or months before someone makes that page. At that point it can be difficult to remember/track down in the history the time/opener info. It would be great if there were some way to carry this information down with the listing when the show is moved to recent. I had previously discussed this with Apollo, and she suggested we could make an HTML note on the Show page after each listing when necessary, that wouldn't be visible on the actual page. Which is a workable solution but might be difficult to get every user moving a show to remember to do? And a novice wikian might not know to look there for the info when creating the Show page. Is there any way to build that info into the Recent listings so that it would auto-populate the Show page when it is created in the same way the date, venue and city do?
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::::And second, we have practically every piece of info needed about a show listed on our page. Directions, tickets, age limits, openers, etc. But we don't provide info on what time doors are. That seems like info that would be helpful for someone using the show page as the gateway to their concert experience, and can be very different from the Time we do list (as well are varying widely from venue to venue). I wonder if this might be worthwhile info to incorporate into our listings? Just a thought. --[[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] ([[User talk:BlueCanary|talk]]) 09:16, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
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:::::I've considered it previously, and I think it's a good idea.  The only problem is that I have built a complex parser that is a nightmare to maintain.  I think we have a better long-term solution though.  See the discussion on the [[This Might Be A Wiki:TMBW To-Do List|TMBW To-Do List]] about wikidata.  This might fit in nicely with that potential solution. --Duke33 12:11, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
  
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== Busted Template ==
  
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:Is it possible to have the recent shows bit linked to the 2005 page somehow so we can have those shows be in both places without having to do every edit twice? &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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So I went to add in the first announced show of 2014 (at the USA Science and Engineering Festival in DC the weekend of 4/26-4/27), and the shows template is totally borked. Doesn't work anymore at ALL. It used the Date Added as the show date, showed raw javascript on the top of the page, left out half the columns, stacked most of the data in one column, didn't list city or venue at all and showed a big grey box where the Attendance functions should be. Basically, it was one big pile of ugly. I'm assuming it's a remnant of the upgrade, and WAY beyond my know how to fix, though I'll happily add the show data if someone can get the template working again. [[User:BlueCanary|BlueCanary]] ([[User talk:BlueCanary|talk]]) 01:31, 30 January 2014 (EST)
  
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::You could possibly create 2005 as a template, and then use that template on the shows page, so that it would import the 2005 page automatically.  Only issue with that is, if someone wants to add a new show, they would have to edit the 2005 page, and not the shows page.  --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 16:20, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
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== Show pages not working ==
  
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:::That's not too big of a problem. I just edited the footer template and on the containing pages it says, "Templates used in this page" or something. That's a bit beyond my wiki abilities, however, so it would be swell if someone else would take that assignment. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]]
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Variables don't seem to be working on the show pages (particularly $attnmessage). Also it seems to be converting special characters to their htmlencode equivalents. [http://i.imgur.com/Cecv1KQ.png for example.] <small>Google Chrome 32.0.1700.107 Windows 8.1</small> -[[User:Oldpinebox|Oldpinebox]]<sup>[[User Talk:Oldpinebox|Talk]]</sup> 23:18, 20 February 2014 (EST)
  
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::I was thinking we could just have the main Shows page also serve as the current year page; if it's reasonably well updated throughout the year, then when 2006 starts we can simply copy all the information into the new 2005 page and start afresh. This might cause a bit of confusion if they were to announce dates for next year this year (which is entirely possible), but would be less complicated than trying to keep two pages updated at once. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]] 16:30, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
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== How many shows? ==
  
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:::In that case, I have an idea. How about changing the "2005" I added to the footer to "Current" or something? I only started all of this trouble because I was going through the various years trying to find all of the shows I'd been to, and it wasn't possible to get to 2005 the same way as other years. &mdash; [[User:Scragz|scragz]] lunchtime (PST)
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Anyone have a rough idea how many shows TMBG has played through the years? It's safe to say "hundreds" but I was wondering if there was a way to find out a specific number. I also realize there may have been shows in the 80s and early 90s we are not 100% sure of. --[[User:MisterMe|MisterMe]] ([[User talk:MisterMe|talk]]) 11:31, 8 January 2015 (EST)
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:i'm restricted to my phone due to an internet outage right now, but i have in the past assembled a master list of (known) tmbg shows and i believe the total number is about 1500 or thereabouts. i can put a more exact number out there later. --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 15:15, 8 January 2015 (EST)
  
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::::Good point, I hadn't thought about that navigation problem. "Current" is a good name for it, and if we just point it back to the main Shows page we won't have to worry about updating 2 pages at the same time. I'll edit the template now. [[User:Aliste|aliste]] 16:48, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
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== Those Under 14 May Keep Their Hash Pipes, Pornography, and Booze on 5/2/15 ==
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HOBA website has been updated to specify the show is 14+, however, I lack the necessary access and/or know-how to update the show's entry here.  Just lettin' you WikiWizards know--feel free to delete this after you do your thing. --[[User:FallenOutWithMyHead|FallenOutWithMyHead]]
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:thanks, i've updated the entry! [[User:Apollo|Apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|colloquia!]]) 19:07, 8 January 2015 (EST)
  
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== Show Import ==
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== Trying to dig up old shows ==
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I've been using my Newspapers.com account (which I use for genealogy) to try to find reviews of old shows for old show pages, and have had some luck such as with the [[Shows/1988-03-28|O. T. Prices show in 1988]], but searching for this band is HARD.  Each word in "They Might Be Giants" is a common word, I get lots of sports pages for the New York Giants football team.  Searching for the band name together (in quotation marks) brings up every last TV listing for [[They Might Be Giants (Film)|the film]].  Searching for John Linnell or John Flansburgh you get many papers around May 6 and June 12 celebrity birthday columns saying "Alternative Rock Musician John [Name] is X years old".  Any suggestions on how to narrow my criteria down are welcome, otherwise I think the well has run dry.--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 04:08, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
  
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I'm just about done with an import script that i'm writing...I'm going to use [[User:ThisMightBeABot|ThisMightBeABot]] to import the shows from the wayback machine, and import them to the wiki.  Give me a few days...it should be ready to go by Monday...It's 90% done, but just needs some minor tweaking.
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== Streaming Anaheim ==
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With mention of the fact that the Anaheim, California show is being streamed on Yahoo we may want to set up a separate "Show" page for people who stream it to say they "Attended".  It's not that it's really necessary, but "Attending" that concert via internet falls into a gray area that ought to be cleared up ahead of time, before people start saying they attended when they actually attended virtually. We can't just assume people won't put their names in if they watch virtually - we may have some younger editors/users who are looking forward to "attending a show" or adding one more to their list.--[[User:Pittsburghmuggle|Pittsburghmuggle]] ([[User talk:Pittsburghmuggle|talk]]) 17:19, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
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:I don't really think people would do that; if they can't make it to a show at all it would screw up their right to complain! When it comes to whining vs. exaggerating, I think most TMBG fans pick whining. P.S. Love you guys. [[User:Sonderling|Sonderling]] ([[User talk:Sonderling|talk]]) 18:38, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
  
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: I love the auto-import 'cause I was realizing if we tried to do it all by hand it would probably take us years. One thing I noticed is that the imported text often comes in all wacky (I mean not formatted correctly, with the venue info/reviews over in the right-hand sidebar with the setlist instead of separately at the left) and I think it's because the &lt;/div&gt; tag at the end of the setlist div is not on a separate line. At least, when I move it to its own line the problem resolves. Would it be possible to modify the bot to put that closing tag on a separate line? It's easy enough to fix by hand later but if we could do it beforehand the raw import will just look a bit nicer. Thanks! [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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::I want to state my point a little more clearly, I didn't want my main point to be about fans.  Restated: "'''Maybe we ought to have a separate show page for the streaming show, so people who watch the show live can be counted for because it does raise the question - does watching TMBG live streaming count as "attending a show'''"
  
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::Done - Let me know if there are any other changes you want made. Sorry it's not 100% correct all the time...I'm parsing html that isn't always consistent. --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 16:42, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
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:::No. Why would it? Watching a show online is ''nothing'' like being there. It's not like this is the first streaming show/webcast they've ever done, and we've never thought of it that way before. If you wanna go down that path you could say watching bootlegs is like being at a show. That makes no sense whatsoever. --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 21:46, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
  
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:::No, I realize it's not an exact science, and overall the results are quite good. I'm amazed that it can be automated at all, so thank you for your work on this. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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:::Well, there are some similarities between a stream and a live show, like how you can't hit pause or decide when the show starts, and you're watching something that's currently happening. But none of us would count watching an episode of Saturday Night Live as attending a taping of the show, right? This stream is really just like watching the concert on TV. I think most people would agree on that distinction. --[[User:Sonderling|Sonderling]] ([[User talk:Sonderling|talk]]) 23:30, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
  
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::::Amen. I am astounded at the progress you guys have made in what seems from my extremely busy perspective to be a very short time.  I've just done a few of the manual cleanups, and even on the ones where the cleanup is really extensive it's still much faster than starting from scratch. &mdash;[[User:Bryce|Bryce]]
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== Worth noting complete album shows? ==
  
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[[Shows/2002-10-26| This page]] needs to be deleted&mdash;I created an entirely new page [[Shows/2002-10-26b|with a different name]] because there are two shows on that date. There are a couple (a very few) other dates on which there are two shows which may need to be taken care of in this way also. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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The two upcoming shows in Texas have been announced on Facebook as being Flood shows. Is it worth noting things like this on upcoming shows? &mdash; [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] ([[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|talk]]) 16:32, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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:You can add it in the Notes section as Featuring full performance of ''[[Flood]]'' on those shows
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::Thanks. Not familiar with this template, SL I didn't know there was a place for that stuff. &mdash; [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] ([[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|talk]]) 17:35, 12 March 2016 (EST)
  
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:[[Shows/2002-08-04|This one also]]. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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== Ogden Theatre web site ==
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::Done - both are deleted.  --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 22:30, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)
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== Beardo 2006 ==
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Hi - The web site link for the "theatre" for tonight's show in the Shows list is incorrect - it's linking to "ogdentheater.com" but should link to "ogdentheatre.com" - just FYI!  Tried to update it myself but it's protected.  [[User:TomInBoston|TomInBoston]] ([[User talk:TomInBoston|talk]]) 14:04, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
  
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damnit, why doesn't TMBG have a date for the New Orleans area? also, why are They going to St. Louis again? They went in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and now They're going in 2006. it's just not fair. -[[User:Nosaj56|Nosaj56]] 21:19, 13 Mar 2006 (CST)
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== Gen Con Show Aug 17, 2017 ==
  
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:At least they went to New Orleans in '04. They haven't been to Florida since 2002. I was ecstatic when I heard of a Southern tour. Even then, St. Petersburg is well over 100 miles from me. --[[User:Badqueso|badqueso]] 21:39, 13 Mar 2006 (CST)
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Tried to edit the Shows page with more details but I see it is protected.
  
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== Albany show cancellation? ==
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Show time: 8PM
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If the Albany show is canceled, why not simply remove it from the page rather than doing the ugly strike-through thing? For that matter, I see the show is still listed on [http://www.highroadtouring.com/tour/tmbg/ High Road Touring]'s page, so are we absolutely sure it's canceled? (i.e., do we trust them less than we trust Dan Miller?) &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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Better link: https://www.gencon.com/events/116122
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:I crossed it out for the reason that there might be somebody visiting that heard about the show so it would be better to have it saying it was canceled, wouldn't it? Also, like you said it's still on highroadtouring so its not 100%, though I would tend to believe the official site and think that HRT just hasn't updated yet.. and I don't think that it's Dan himself doing every update. -[[User:TDK|TDK]] 12:40, 24 Mar 2006 (CST)
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:::Okay, but we're not talking about an inaccurate date; we're talking about the removal of a date. I'm not saying that HRT isn't an official source, I'm just saying that they probably aren't caught up yet. And you shouldn't assume that Miller is the only one doing all the updates, including a little thing like going in there to remove one specific date. Why would they do that if it wasn't canceled?? -[[User:TDK|TDK]] 20:08, 24 Mar 2006 (CST)
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:::::HRT [http://www.highroadtouring.com/tour/tmbg/ removed it]. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 08:51, 25 Mar 2006 (CST)
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Note: Must have a Gen Con badge to buy a ticket and attend.
  
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Okay, this is bugging the hell out of me&mdash;on a couple of the new show pages ([[Shows/2006-05-03]] at least), the "edit" link for the "Fan Recaps and Comments" section is down mixed in with the text of the recap section, rather than being aligned with the section header as it is on most other pages. Is its position set relative to something else, or should it be at a fixed point higher up, or is this something only I am seeing? I think it looks really weird and I can't figure out how to correct it.
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:It's only protected from being edited by anons, people with no account. Registered users can edit it. I don't know if you're going to see this reply, so I'll go ahead and add this stuff. But yeh if you/anyone else does see it, for future reference that's the deal.  --[[User:Selfcallednowhere|Self Called Nowhere]] ([[User talk:Selfcallednowhere|talk]]) 05:46, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
  
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== 2nd Brisbane Show Feb 2019 ==
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:2) "''Michael Leviton featuring Leah Hayes on glockenspiel''" was too long, but I just shortened it to "''Michael Leviton w/ Leah Hayes''", so that's fine. As for the links, I don't know what to do. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:16, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
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Also something I just noticed, the show attendance frame doesn't wrap? For example, in [[Shows/2006-04-26]] and [[Shows/2006-05-09]]. The list of wikians in attendance just goes across in a straight line, so after a certain point the names get cut off/disappear. Is it possible to add a line break after each name, rather than having them list horizontally? &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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There is another Brisbane show the day before the on already listed, on Thursday the 21st Feb 2019. The details are here:-https://thetriffid.com.au/gig/an-evening-with-they-might-be-giants-2/
  
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:A break after each name would be a bit ugly, but I'm sure Duke33 will agree with you about the wrapping and add a 240px~ width limit to the frame soon. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:16, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
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== 2020 show pages ==
  
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The 2020 show pages aren't displaying the venue and city. On each page the line for them is present but has only the word "in". --[[User:Nehushtan|Nehushtan]] ([[User talk:Nehushtan|talk]]) 09:54, 7 March 2020 (EST)
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:::You still have the multiple word username problem though. --[[User:Badqueso|badqueso]] 19:49, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
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== Should we make showpages for TV appearances? ==
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Is anyone else concerned that the 7/1 Mohegan Sun show isn't mentioned at mohegansun.com?  The only thing they have listed for July 1 at the moment is Burt Bacharach (!).  I guess maybe the "Wolf Den" doesn't release its schedule this far in advance?  The Wolf Den schedule only goes to 6/18.
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One has already been made (not by me) for the Larry Sanders appearance.
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I'm going with the friend that intoduced me to TMBG, and it's the first TMBG for the both of us.
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-T-boi
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Is anyone else here going? -- [[User:TheBlunderbuss|TheBlunderbuss]] 00:55, 5 Jun 2006 (CDT)
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I plan to go as well. I'm coming from Cleveland to see this, as it's an all ages show, and I can bring my little brother with me who would die to see them. --[[User:Ehsteve14|Ehsteve14]] 19:49, 6 Jun 2006 (MDT)
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== annual moving ==
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i have had this thought for a while, but part of me feels like we are too deep in to make a change by now. but anyway, wouldn't it make sense to move this page to shows/<year> at the end of each year, and then start a new Shows page? for example, on Jan 1 2023, this page would get moved to [[Shows/2022]]. that way rather than starting a shows/<year> page by copy-pasting (and thereby destroying edit history), the actual history would be preserved for that year only, and the history of [[Shows]] wouldn't be an untamable eldritch beast. this talk page could stay here without being moved. obviously for the first year that we did this, that year would have an insane history; i think that's the main issue with the idea. but subsequently i think it would make this page and the shows/<year> going forward a bit more manageable, which would be handy if TMBG keeps playing shows for the foreseeable future. so there's my pitch.  [[User:Apollo|apollo]]  ([[User talk:Apollo|hiya]]) 10:52, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
  
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How excellent for you and your brother! Oddly enough, my parents want to go too, since I've apparently turned my mother on to the Johns. I'll be in quite the pack. Look for the guy with a Stylophone >.< -- [[User:TheBlunderbuss|TheBlunderbuss]] 12:10, 7 Jun 2006 (MDT)
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:I am not completely opposed, but one hiccup is that on January 1, 2023 (for example) if we ended up moving "Shows" to "Shows/2022" and then recreating a new "Shows" with the cut/pasted upcoming 2023 dates, the edit history for all the 2023 shows that were already announced the previous year would be forever attached to "Shows/2022," making it potentially even harder to find the history of those 2023 dates in the future. (And kind of similarly, the entire 18-year history of our "Shows" edits would arbitrarily live at "Shows/2022"!) -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 17:52, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
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::i haven't come to a conclusion re: this proposal yet but this reminded me of something; i think we ought to have the rescheduling history of this tour archived somewhere, both individually (on the show pages) and together (cf. the tour "posters" they've been posting on social media). to start out with they could just be stuck somewhere in the bodies of the show pages. --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 18:01, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
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::yeah, guess i didn't think of that issue with the scheduled shows. too bad we can't just split the page history off in two. i think it's possible there could be some workaround by maintaining both the current year and next year's show subpages and transcluding parts of them onto the main Shows page, but not sure if it would get excessively complicated. [[User:Apollo|apollo]] ([[User talk:Apollo|hiya]]) 20:48, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
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:::there's probably an extension that would do that. sigh. --{{User:Antgeth/sig}} 21:02, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
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== RIP ==
  
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My boyfriend and I are also going! First for us both, I'm really excited. I'm kind of worried that their selection will be a bit stunted, though, what with the all-ages thing. It's understandable, though. But I hope they'll play some of the stuff they've been playing at the other shows, like Meet James Ensor (my boyfriend's theme song :D) and Purple Toupee (though I've given up hope on Damn Good Times and Drink! ;) --[[User:Shellbelle|Shellbelle]] 14:18, 25 Jun 2006 (MDT)
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Poor Linnell. He has to perform on his birthday.--[[User:You&#38;Me!!|You&#38;Me!!]] ([[User talk:You&#38;Me!!|talk]]) 11:23, 7 June 2022 (EDT)
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==Big Hits and Deep Cuts==
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Looks like they fully shed the "Big Hits and Deep Cuts" label in the most recent email. --[[User:ColorOfInfinity|ColorOfInfinity]] ([[User talk:ColorOfInfinity|talk]]) 00:10, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
  
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:He's some kind of children's song writer, like Raffi or Tom Chapin [http://www.ralphcovert.com/ ralphcovert.com] -- [[User:TheBlunderbuss|TheBlunderbuss]] 16:32, 5 Jul 2006 (MDT)
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:Since the recent Flood shows have basically been an equal balance of Flood stuff and selected deep cuts, it's no surprise if they don't see a need to distinguish between "Flood shows" and "Big Hits and Deep Cuts" shows anymore. [[User:FloridaFlamingoGirl|FloridaFlamingoGirl]] ([[User talk:FloridaFlamingoGirl|talk]]) 22:00, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
  
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Hah! I got my music prof interested in going ^_^ [[User:TheBlunderbuss|TheBlunderbuss]] 05:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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:An added thought from me (FloridaFlamingoGirl): since the two San Diego dates were slated for a while as having a Flood show and then a Big Hits/Deep Cuts show the next day, are the two San Diego dates now going to basically be the same kind of show? Food for thought. We'll just have to wait and see.
  
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Is there any chance that someone can somehow record this show..? Of course, I'm going to be out of town without access to a computer on the day it's broadcasting... I'm just interested in knowing if there's a possibility that it'll be recorded. --[[User:INeedACrane|INeedACrane]] 16:11, 28 Jun 2006 (MDT)
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: NPR keeps all those live shows archived; eventually you should be able to hear it [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5516088 here], so don't worry about missing it. &mdash; [[User:Aliste|aliste]]
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::No, the first date in San Diego on the schedule has the # indicator, meaning it's not a Flood full album show. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 09:25, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
  
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:It's just the label they're using for shows where they won't be playing the entire Flood album. They revised it about a month ago to be called "Book, Flood Faves & Horns" instead of "Big Hits & Deep Cuts" - it means the same thing but is slightly more descriptive. Keep in mind TMBG's show is always full of TMBG "hits" and "deep cuts" for people who do not track every setlist (ie. most attendees). There was only one scheduled "Big Hits and Deep Cuts" show that already passed - October 8 in Virginia, and they indeed did not play the whole Flood album. -{{User:CapitalQ/Sig}} 09:25, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
  
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Archived Discussions

London 4/2/16[edit]

Shouldn't some-one change this venue to Electric Ballroom?


Formatting[edit]

What happened? I see vertical lines and stuff. --veggieman.//(leave a message after the click?) 15:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, sorry. That's my fault. There was a disasterous attempt to edit with my phone internet and my phone and the Wiki apparently don't get along. Now it won't let me fix it. I'd be much obliged if someone could fix that for me. BlueCanary

Ticket stub uploading, etc.[edit]

I am able to take photos of my tickets, but I do not have a scanner currently. Would you prefer if I wait until I have a scanner available? --Lemita 20:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I would say to wait and scan them, probably. In the meantime, if there's any info on them that we don't have (show time, opening acts, etc), you can help fill them in! Thanks. --Duke33 01:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Should mystery shows be added?[edit]

TMBG posted on Twitter that the KNOW they'll play in San Diego, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, New York, Washington DC, Chicago, Boston, and Atlanta.[1] Should we add those with question marks in most of the info slots, or should they be left out until we know more specific details? --SMB 03:07, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

no. no point in adding things we know nothing about yet. --ant 03:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

On Setlist But Not Played[edit]

When adding a song to a show page that was on the setlist but not played, it still gets counted in the known performances tally. Any suggestions on how to handle this? -thevince 22 September 2011

What we do is place an html comment (<!-- -->) between the asterisk and the song name. This prevents the song from being counted by the system, and it's applied on most show pages, but if you see one that doesn't have it commented off the setlist, just edit it in! -Apollo (colloquia!) 15:50, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
Okay, here's sort of the opposite situation. Hall Of Heads is listed as having three performances. The 2003-06-08 entry is for two shows. The song was played at both shows. This means this song's actually been played four times. So, how does the count get corrected? Split the 2003-06-08 page into two? Are most two shows in one day entries combined on the same page? -thevince 28 September 2011
Days on which there were two shows should be divided into "show a" (earlier show) and "show b" (later show), e.g. Shows/2003-06-08a and Shows/2003-06-08b. These should each have individual setlists, etc. Sometimes this is impossible because there isn't enough information about which show was which, but in this case it looks like both sets were the same and two pages can be made. I'm not sure which the recap belongs on, though. -Apollo (colloquia!) 16:48, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
It's the 7:30 PM show. It says Spin The Dial on the recap.

Since there are no more 2011 shows...[edit]

Is it a good idea to make a 'Shows/2011' page now? SamuelMan36 20:02, 10 December 2011 (EST)

What about the secret show? ~ magbatz 20:32, 10 December 2011 (EST)

Australia 2013[edit]

There aren't actual venues or cities yet, but the Australia tour dates are listen on High Road Touring. 11 shows between April 26th and May 11th of 2013. It seems a little premature to make individual show listings for them when the only available info is the date, but would it be worth it to include a sentence about the planned dates on the show page, similar to what we did with the announced cities last year before the tour was official announced? Something along the lines of "They Might Be Giants plan to tour Australia in 2013, with 11 shows tentatively scheduled between April 26th and May 11. Cities and venues have yet to be announced." Thoughts? --BlueCanary 21:03, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

HRT source link[edit]

Can someone with the power to fix the template update the link to High Road Touring in the Sources section? They updated their website and the current link no longer works. The new one is: http://www.highroadtouring.com/artists/they-might-be-giants/itinerary/ Thanks! --BlueCanary 11:39, 3 January 2013 (EST)

Fixed it! The template is at Shows/Source, if you ever need to edit it. :) Great seeing you at the last 3 shows! -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 12:17, 3 January 2013 (EST)
Oh cool! I was assuming it was one of those protected templates I couldn't fix on my own. Thank you! And also likewise on the shows! --BlueCanary 12:45, 3 January 2013 (EST)

Opening acts helping TMBG[edit]

I attended the Indigo Girls concert last night in Orlando and they had the opening act, The Shadowboxers, play some instruments for them almost throughout the show. It got me thinking, how many times has TMBG "allowed" the opening act to come back on stage and play with them? And if so, to what extent? A lot of these show pages don't specify anything more than a setlist and the fact that the opening act was so-and-so at such-and-such venue, so I'm not sure this is a topic that is viable to research based on such scant information... --MisterMe 11:44, 28 March 2013 (EDT)

all i can think of off the top of my head is corn mo. --ant 12:16, 28 March 2013 (EDT)

Festival shows set times[edit]

If TMBG are doing a festival show (ie the "Groovin The Moo" festival shows in Australia), do you add the time the festival gates open to the show time, or do you add the time the band is set to go on stage? --JustinBoy (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

The time TMBG goes on. --BlueCanary (talk) 17:07, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Duplicate Show Attendance[edit]

There is something wonky going on with the show page. The first show on the upcoming list is showing up twice on the show attendance records of each person marked as attending. Once like normal, and then again with the time and ages listed in the "notes" section. And it is always the top show on the list, even after shows are moved down to recent. You can see an example on my own show attendance list. Right now the Iowa City show is on there twice. But when that gets moved, it'll be Des Moines that is doubled. I've hunted around a little on the page to see if I can find anything that might be causing it and I haven't turned up anything. Time for the experts to take a stab! --BlueCanary (talk) 02:17, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look. --Duke33 10:35, 4 June 2013 (EDT)

two things[edit]

  1. i think it's time to start archiving this page. it's ridiculously long, and we could easily knock off the first fifty discussion threads.
  2. i think we need to establish a standard for shows played in New York City. I can't really tell which is more common, but sometimes we put "New York, NY" and sometimes we put instead "[Borough], NY". lately it seems like we're leaning more toward borough? to be honest, i don't have much of a preference, although i am kind of drawn to the specificity of distinction between each borough — on the other hand, that separates NYC shows in show search results. either way, i think we should stick with one format. -Apollo (colloquia!) 15:50, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
i don't plausibly see anyone replying to #1 so i just did it. i'm putting it here. -Apollo (colloquia!) 20:28, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
  1. I second the need to archive so thanks for that.
  2. Some quick internet research tells me that, unless you are in Manhattan (which nearly always uses NY, NY), listing the borough where you are located as your city is common practice in mailing addresses. Personally I would tend to go with however the venue lists their own address on their website/tickets, which is usually Borough, NY. I can't speak for all of the very early NYC dates, but on a quick spot check, the last decade or so of shows listed as NY, NY actually took place in Manhattan. There is a not insignificant list of shows that claim Brooklyn, NY as their location, and a very, very small smattering of listings for Queens/Long Island City. My point being that I think the format of "Borough, NY" is pretty well established, considering that Manhattan and Brooklyn are most likely to be the site of a venue in NYC.
  3. This question also brings up another point. I have noticed that there is a semi-frequent issue of consistency in show listings, in general, which affects the show search results. For example some venues have some entries with a "The" included in their name as well as ones without. Spelling theater with an "er" versus an "re" on the end has also split some listings. And the one I see most often is inconsistency in the city where a venue is located. For example, though I actually fixed this already, there had been listings for Mr. Small's both in Pittsburgh and in Millvale, PA. The venue is actually located in Millvale. The band tends to list Mr. Small's tour stops as being "Pittsburgh." Should we be siding with the generalization or actual geography? (The most confusing example of this I have seen is with "Cincinnati" shows which are sometimes actually in Kentucky.)
  4. And lastly, how difficult would it be to make the archived show pages searchable by state alone, without a city? Because I know, personally, I have at times been curious how many times they have played a particular state, or when the last time they visit a state was, and was unable to find that information without examining the pages for each individual year. I feel like someone, perhaps new to the wiki, who was trying to locate a show they saw way back when, might easily remember what state it was in but not the specific city or venue or even year. (It also would have been helpful just now when I was trying to see how many NYC boroughs had show listings, and it would help identify other inconsistencies in venue listings.). I know absolutely nothing about how that search feature works so it might be impossible or far too cumbersome, but it might be something to consider. --BlueCanary (talk) 20:45, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
  1. yay, post facto consensus
  2. well that just confuses things more. i'm still not sure which we should go with — although, and this is related to #4, it might be best to list boroughs if we could have them all show up in a search for "New York City" or "New York"! it should be easy to figure out where earlier shows were just by googling the venue.
  3. i have no idea what to do about Mr. Smalls, to be honest.
  4. i think that's within the realm of possibility, if the data in city parameter were just exploded??? or, perhaps, whatever that new fangled MW thing is. in any case, all the information is there for this to be a valid possibility, so i don't see why not. but i'm bad with most parser functions that don't have "if" in them! anyway, i think the show search function can and should be expanded. i guess it's just a matter of time. -Apollo (colloquia!) 22:54, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
While we are on the subject of potential improvements to be made to the Shows page, I have two other suggestions.
First, when shows are moved from the Upcoming list to the Recent list, some of the information in the listing is lost. Most of it, like the ticket link, directions to the venue, age limits, etc, are no longer necessary, but there are a couple of pieces of information that are, most specifically the time of the show and the opener. These pieces of info are added back in when the show page is created for the show. This is fine when the show page is created immediately. But in some instances it can be weeks or months before someone makes that page. At that point it can be difficult to remember/track down in the history the time/opener info. It would be great if there were some way to carry this information down with the listing when the show is moved to recent. I had previously discussed this with Apollo, and she suggested we could make an HTML note on the Show page after each listing when necessary, that wouldn't be visible on the actual page. Which is a workable solution but might be difficult to get every user moving a show to remember to do? And a novice wikian might not know to look there for the info when creating the Show page. Is there any way to build that info into the Recent listings so that it would auto-populate the Show page when it is created in the same way the date, venue and city do?
And second, we have practically every piece of info needed about a show listed on our page. Directions, tickets, age limits, openers, etc. But we don't provide info on what time doors are. That seems like info that would be helpful for someone using the show page as the gateway to their concert experience, and can be very different from the Time we do list (as well are varying widely from venue to venue). I wonder if this might be worthwhile info to incorporate into our listings? Just a thought. --BlueCanary (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
I've considered it previously, and I think it's a good idea. The only problem is that I have built a complex parser that is a nightmare to maintain. I think we have a better long-term solution though. See the discussion on the TMBW To-Do List about wikidata. This might fit in nicely with that potential solution. --Duke33 12:11, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Busted Template[edit]

So I went to add in the first announced show of 2014 (at the USA Science and Engineering Festival in DC the weekend of 4/26-4/27), and the shows template is totally borked. Doesn't work anymore at ALL. It used the Date Added as the show date, showed raw javascript on the top of the page, left out half the columns, stacked most of the data in one column, didn't list city or venue at all and showed a big grey box where the Attendance functions should be. Basically, it was one big pile of ugly. I'm assuming it's a remnant of the upgrade, and WAY beyond my know how to fix, though I'll happily add the show data if someone can get the template working again. BlueCanary (talk) 01:31, 30 January 2014 (EST)

Show pages not working[edit]

Variables don't seem to be working on the show pages (particularly $attnmessage). Also it seems to be converting special characters to their htmlencode equivalents. for example. Google Chrome 32.0.1700.107 Windows 8.1 -OldpineboxTalk 23:18, 20 February 2014 (EST)

How many shows?[edit]

Anyone have a rough idea how many shows TMBG has played through the years? It's safe to say "hundreds" but I was wondering if there was a way to find out a specific number. I also realize there may have been shows in the 80s and early 90s we are not 100% sure of. --MisterMe (talk) 11:31, 8 January 2015 (EST)

i'm restricted to my phone due to an internet outage right now, but i have in the past assembled a master list of (known) tmbg shows and i believe the total number is about 1500 or thereabouts. i can put a more exact number out there later. --ant 15:15, 8 January 2015 (EST)

Those Under 14 May Keep Their Hash Pipes, Pornography, and Booze on 5/2/15[edit]

HOBA website has been updated to specify the show is 14+, however, I lack the necessary access and/or know-how to update the show's entry here. Just lettin' you WikiWizards know--feel free to delete this after you do your thing. --FallenOutWithMyHead

thanks, i've updated the entry! Apollo (colloquia!) 19:07, 8 January 2015 (EST)

Trying to dig up old shows[edit]

I've been using my Newspapers.com account (which I use for genealogy) to try to find reviews of old shows for old show pages, and have had some luck such as with the O. T. Prices show in 1988, but searching for this band is HARD. Each word in "They Might Be Giants" is a common word, I get lots of sports pages for the New York Giants football team. Searching for the band name together (in quotation marks) brings up every last TV listing for the film. Searching for John Linnell or John Flansburgh you get many papers around May 6 and June 12 celebrity birthday columns saying "Alternative Rock Musician John [Name] is X years old". Any suggestions on how to narrow my criteria down are welcome, otherwise I think the well has run dry.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 04:08, 14 April 2015 (EDT)

Streaming Anaheim[edit]

With mention of the fact that the Anaheim, California show is being streamed on Yahoo we may want to set up a separate "Show" page for people who stream it to say they "Attended". It's not that it's really necessary, but "Attending" that concert via internet falls into a gray area that ought to be cleared up ahead of time, before people start saying they attended when they actually attended virtually. We can't just assume people won't put their names in if they watch virtually - we may have some younger editors/users who are looking forward to "attending a show" or adding one more to their list.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 17:19, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

I don't really think people would do that; if they can't make it to a show at all it would screw up their right to complain! When it comes to whining vs. exaggerating, I think most TMBG fans pick whining. P.S. Love you guys. Sonderling (talk) 18:38, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
I want to state my point a little more clearly, I didn't want my main point to be about fans. Restated: "Maybe we ought to have a separate show page for the streaming show, so people who watch the show live can be counted for because it does raise the question - does watching TMBG live streaming count as "attending a show"
No. Why would it? Watching a show online is nothing like being there. It's not like this is the first streaming show/webcast they've ever done, and we've never thought of it that way before. If you wanna go down that path you could say watching bootlegs is like being at a show. That makes no sense whatsoever. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
Well, there are some similarities between a stream and a live show, like how you can't hit pause or decide when the show starts, and you're watching something that's currently happening. But none of us would count watching an episode of Saturday Night Live as attending a taping of the show, right? This stream is really just like watching the concert on TV. I think most people would agree on that distinction. --Sonderling (talk) 23:30, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Worth noting complete album shows?[edit]

The two upcoming shows in Texas have been announced on Facebook as being Flood shows. Is it worth noting things like this on upcoming shows? — ACupOfCoffee (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2016 (EST)

You can add it in the Notes section as Featuring full performance of Flood on those shows
Thanks. Not familiar with this template, SL I didn't know there was a place for that stuff. — ACupOfCoffee (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2016 (EST)

Ogden Theatre web site[edit]

Hi - The web site link for the "theatre" for tonight's show in the Shows list is incorrect - it's linking to "ogdentheater.com" but should link to "ogdentheatre.com" - just FYI! Tried to update it myself but it's protected. TomInBoston (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Gen Con Show Aug 17, 2017[edit]

Tried to edit the Shows page with more details but I see it is protected.

Show time: 8PM Ages: All

Better link: https://www.gencon.com/events/116122

Note: Must have a Gen Con badge to buy a ticket and attend.

It's only protected from being edited by anons, people with no account. Registered users can edit it. I don't know if you're going to see this reply, so I'll go ahead and add this stuff. But yeh if you/anyone else does see it, for future reference that's the deal. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 05:46, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

2nd Brisbane Show Feb 2019[edit]

There is another Brisbane show the day before the on already listed, on Thursday the 21st Feb 2019. The details are here:-https://thetriffid.com.au/gig/an-evening-with-they-might-be-giants-2/

2020 show pages[edit]

The 2020 show pages aren't displaying the venue and city. On each page the line for them is present but has only the word "in". --Nehushtan (talk) 09:54, 7 March 2020 (EST)

Should we make showpages for TV appearances?[edit]

One has already been made (not by me) for the Larry Sanders appearance. -T-boi

annual moving[edit]

i have had this thought for a while, but part of me feels like we are too deep in to make a change by now. but anyway, wouldn't it make sense to move this page to shows/<year> at the end of each year, and then start a new Shows page? for example, on Jan 1 2023, this page would get moved to Shows/2022. that way rather than starting a shows/<year> page by copy-pasting (and thereby destroying edit history), the actual history would be preserved for that year only, and the history of Shows wouldn't be an untamable eldritch beast. this talk page could stay here without being moved. obviously for the first year that we did this, that year would have an insane history; i think that's the main issue with the idea. but subsequently i think it would make this page and the shows/<year> going forward a bit more manageable, which would be handy if TMBG keeps playing shows for the foreseeable future. so there's my pitch. apollo (hiya) 10:52, 3 June 2022 (EDT)

I am not completely opposed, but one hiccup is that on January 1, 2023 (for example) if we ended up moving "Shows" to "Shows/2022" and then recreating a new "Shows" with the cut/pasted upcoming 2023 dates, the edit history for all the 2023 shows that were already announced the previous year would be forever attached to "Shows/2022," making it potentially even harder to find the history of those 2023 dates in the future. (And kind of similarly, the entire 18-year history of our "Shows" edits would arbitrarily live at "Shows/2022"!) -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 17:52, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
i haven't come to a conclusion re: this proposal yet but this reminded me of something; i think we ought to have the rescheduling history of this tour archived somewhere, both individually (on the show pages) and together (cf. the tour "posters" they've been posting on social media). to start out with they could just be stuck somewhere in the bodies of the show pages. --ant 18:01, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
yeah, guess i didn't think of that issue with the scheduled shows. too bad we can't just split the page history off in two. i think it's possible there could be some workaround by maintaining both the current year and next year's show subpages and transcluding parts of them onto the main Shows page, but not sure if it would get excessively complicated. apollo (hiya) 20:48, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
there's probably an extension that would do that. sigh. --ant 21:02, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

RIP[edit]

Poor Linnell. He has to perform on his birthday.--You&Me!! (talk) 11:23, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

Big Hits and Deep Cuts[edit]

Looks like they fully shed the "Big Hits and Deep Cuts" label in the most recent email. --ColorOfInfinity (talk) 00:10, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

Since the recent Flood shows have basically been an equal balance of Flood stuff and selected deep cuts, it's no surprise if they don't see a need to distinguish between "Flood shows" and "Big Hits and Deep Cuts" shows anymore. FloridaFlamingoGirl (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
An added thought from me (FloridaFlamingoGirl): since the two San Diego dates were slated for a while as having a Flood show and then a Big Hits/Deep Cuts show the next day, are the two San Diego dates now going to basically be the same kind of show? Food for thought. We'll just have to wait and see.
The recent Flood shows have still been Flood shows, though. The idea was that these wouldn't be. --Self Called Nowhere (talk) 02:25, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
No, the first date in San Diego on the schedule has the # indicator, meaning it's not a Flood full album show. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 09:25, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
It's just the label they're using for shows where they won't be playing the entire Flood album. They revised it about a month ago to be called "Book, Flood Faves & Horns" instead of "Big Hits & Deep Cuts" - it means the same thing but is slightly more descriptive. Keep in mind TMBG's show is always full of TMBG "hits" and "deep cuts" for people who do not track every setlist (ie. most attendees). There was only one scheduled "Big Hits and Deep Cuts" show that already passed - October 8 in Virginia, and they indeed did not play the whole Flood album. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 09:25, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

Family Shows[edit]

I wonder why TMBG isn't doing family shows anymore. Why aren't they doing family shows anymore? I hope they do a family show for the Flood tour.

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