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[edit] To the people who bash this album and say it's the worst...

I love this album. It is, by far, my favorite TMBG album, and one of my all-time favorite albums out of the litany of bands and musicians I listen to. So truly...powerful and deep, sweet and moving, dark and angry. It's not even my favorite out of bias or John-preference, because Flansburgh's songs on this album are amazing...Subliminal (he wrote it; Linnell sang it), AKA Driver, Sleeping in the Flowers...in fact, all his songs on this album are worth multiple listens. But this album is a shining point for Linnell, with his deepest and darkest material, and still his sense of humor shines through the gloom. I don't understand why people choose to hate this masterpiece so. Every band needs to change their style or else they get lost in the stream of has-beens. Devo never changed their style, and look what happened to them. Now, I DO think that They changed their style prematurely, maybe one more album with just the duo, but Their transition was, IMO, seamless. It sounds like TMBG, but enhanced! And I've always had a thing for horns used in rock songs. But after listening to this album through multiple times, I have come to a conclusion: John Linnell, bless his soul, has serious problems. But that's with as much respect and love as possible. - Overjoy

Well, John Henry is my favourite album too. I really can't see why people hate it that much. My favourite songs have got to be Destination Moon and Snail Shell, with No One Knows My Plan coming in at a close third. This was the second album I bought (after Mink Car) and it's been the one i've listened to the most. When I went on holiday in April, this was nearly the only thing I listened to, and I didn't get tired of it one bit, and I'm still not tired of it. So, could someone please explain to me why this album is so horrible, because I've never thought it was, and I can't imagine why anyone else would - ( Herwwiyal ? )/ 07:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


John Henry is definitely my favorite album. However I kind of disliked it at first because of the switch to a live band. But after I listened to it a few times I picked out a few songs that I liked (Subliminal, A Self Called Nowhere, Destination Moon, Spy) so I listened to them alot and then started creeping up on the rest. I realize how great this album is, though they switch away from their past they put a lot of work, and showed a lot talent with the new style of things. It is really amazing just listening to this album. My favorite song now has to be No One Knows My Plan, I think its the best on the album. Snail Shell which is my ringtone, is one I like a lot too. - HowardTCo 04:04, 21 August 2006


Some albums take a lot of time for me to get into, but this was one of those "love-at-first-listen" ones. I tend to enjoy sad music, and this one was right up my alley--sad, but not "oh God this is so freakin' depressing I'ma go commit suicide out of despair" sad. It's a beautiful sadness. and underneath all that, there seems to be a tiny glimmer of hope. The music is amazing as well. Destination Moon carries on their tradition of having very bouncy, upbeat songs with dark undertones, as previously exemplified by songs like They'll Need A Crane, Don't Let's Start, and Twisting. Other songs veer into genres TMBG has rarely crossed into--especially Stomp Box, with its distorted, metalloid sound. And then there's The End Of The Tour, which is simply the most brilliant and amazing song I have ever heard. As usual, all the songs are lyrically exemplary, particularly A Self Called Nowhere (I have no idea what the hell it's about, but that rhyme scheme is amazing!) and the aforementioned The End Of The Tour. I could go on for hours describing how brilliant this album is, but I'm rambling now, so I'll shut up and just say that it's the best album ever. The end. Of the tour. ~Anna Ng: The Only TMBG Fan In Her Class

I'd call it... creepy. Lyric-wise. I find this to be a combonation of old and new. The guitar-heavy Snail Shell but then the stylistic values of their old stuff; I Should Be Allowed To Think reminds me of a song that would be shorter on an earlier album (Lincoln comes to mind). Subliminal, though a bit guitar-heavy after the first few measures, reminds me of something of an early album. Maybe it's the accordion. Anyway, back to lyrics. Some dark stuff on this album! Anna Ng said it right: bubbly music with dark lyrics. Great stuff from both John and John, and a favorite album of mine. Took me a while to actually like Sleeping In The Flowers (which is a great song) and Why Must I Be Sad, among a few. And since I play the saxaphone, I appriciate the horn section. Pshyeah. :) --Lemita 21:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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This is, by far, my least favorite album, barring Here Come The ABCs. I can't explain why, I just can't stand listening to the whole album through.--tehbagel ( o ) 16:38, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

It's my favorite. By a relatively large margin, in fact. (Second place goes to Lincoln.) Just a matter of opinion, I suppose. ~Anna Ng: The Only TMBG Fan In Her Class 00:37, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

Mythological question: Who is the girl on the cover?

Seriously, who is she?

Well, I've decided that her name is Joan Henry. ~Anna Ng: The Only TMBG Fan In Her Class

I think I heard that all of the kids are the kids of people in connection to the band or the label or something. -Ecks

[edit] Just like to say

Notice how much acoustic guitar this album has? Seems it's height of TMBG usage is this album.

I deem John Henry the Album of the Acoustic Guitar!

Acoustic Guitar? No, this is the album of the severely overused rock organ and not nearly enough accordian. Don't get me wrong though, it's a great album, and a lot longer than the others, which I consider a bonus.
Hey, I love the organ on this album! whenever i hear it in any other tmbg song that's not on john henry, it always makes me think of john henry.

[edit] Henry Linnell?

is there any connection between henry linnell the john henry album?
maybe he was named after the album?

Yeah, that's often discussed among fans (or my friends at least). I suppose no one knows except John and Karen. -CapitalQ / @ / 07:44, 20 Jun 2006 (MDT)

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And probably Flansburgh, too. :) I think John Henry the album name is a multi-level joke. John Henry the folk hero's losing fight with the machine refers to Them struggling with Elektra, which insisted they add a back-up band, even if they weren't keen on the idea at first. John Henry is the doomed underdog quixotically shaking his fist at larger forces. Sort of like, well, Don Quixote?

I suspect also it's a bit of a private off-color joke, especially if they both saw North Dallas Forty. Elliot and Maxwell are like musicians in the film, and like John Henry in the legend, in that they had one thing they did well - football/music/driving steel - and they have bosses who try to work them until they break, because they're valued for what they produce, but their persons aren't respected at all. Get the job done even if you die trying!

In re little Henry Linnell, would you name your only son after a record album? Nah. Even if it was special to you and your wife? Ehh, maybe, but ... I would bet that Henry Linnell is named after a Henry in John or Karen's families or circle of friends.

~~Christina Miller, September 2006

[edit] I have no idea...

Why anyone hates it. It comes in a very close second for me (Flood barely beats it)

[edit] A Milestone

This is the first TMBG album I have avar heard anyone to name their child after. No, not Henry Linnell. Here's the story:

A Latin teacher of mine recently had a child. He mentioned that he was going to be named John Henry. I asked if that was after the folk hero. He replied that, no, it was after his favorite TMBG album.

Very, very cool, even if he was probably joking.

Well, given the choice, it wouldn't be too bad to have my child named "John Henry", as opposed to something like "The Spine."
That's just great. That's it, my first child will be named "No!". "No!, come eat your supper." — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 01:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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