Talk:Oxymorons, Paradoxes, And Contradictory Statements
- I guess it is okay to be listed, but the whole 'color of infinity inside an empty glass' explaination seems lacking. I mean, it says "if the color of infinity was inside the glass, then the glass would not be empty," but seems to me that the fact it is an empty glass describes what the color of infinity could possibly be. In anycase, these sort of statements are one of the things I love TMBG for. Totally thought provoking and wonderful. Jeshii 23:30, 12 Apr 2005 (EDT)
- I feel like it doesn't belong. I mean, a colour isn't really an object, but a characteristic of the glass itself as far as I can tell. --Swagar 00:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think it's describing the glass. It's hard to say, but if you said something along the lines of "the color blue inside a glass," it is assumed that something (blue) is in the glass. (or maybe that's just me.) If we add "empty" this becomes contradictory. So, while infinity isn't really a color, I think the lyric deserves inclusion. Unless the color of infinity is emptiness. -Apollo 00:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- A color isn't really an object. So... there could be color
fulnessinside a glass without the glass being necessarily empty. Right? -- Buzzmusic100 ("Keep your voice down...")- Well, technically, I suppose yes, but it's sort of obvious that what they were going for was a contradiction, and I think that has to be taken into perspective. -Apollo. 19:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
- So sorry. I made a mistake. I meant to say that there could be color in a glass with the glass still being empty.
- Well, technically, I suppose yes, but it's sort of obvious that what they were going for was a contradiction, and I think that has to be taken into perspective. -Apollo. 19:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
- A color isn't really an object. So... there could be color
- I don't think it's describing the glass. It's hard to say, but if you said something along the lines of "the color blue inside a glass," it is assumed that something (blue) is in the glass. (or maybe that's just me.) If we add "empty" this becomes contradictory. So, while infinity isn't really a color, I think the lyric deserves inclusion. Unless the color of infinity is emptiness. -Apollo 00:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- I feel like it doesn't belong. I mean, a colour isn't really an object, but a characteristic of the glass itself as far as I can tell. --Swagar 00:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to edit the page, because I'm not sure if I'm just being picky or not, but it seems to me that "I am not allowed to think" is not a contradiction at all of the title "I Should be Allowed to Think". After all, isn't that what the word "should" is about? I should be allowed to think, but I'm not. It's not really a contradiction, it's more like "I wish I could but I can't".
- It's more like "I wish I could but I can't wish." The statement itself is a thought, but not being allowed to think contradicts that in some loopy confusing-the-mind thing, kinda like the stated belief, "People should get beat up for stating their beliefs."
- Also, I'm kind of confused with Hopeless Bleak Despair being oxymoronic/paradoxical/contradictory. A reason given is that Linnell can't say he's died if he's still alive and writing the song, but like many (most?) TMBG songs, the narrator is usually not named John and could be dead if Linnell wanted to make him. There's also a little bit about him usually going to heaven and despair going to hell when he died, and since (I admit) I'm not very knowledgable in afterlife affairs, I'll hesitate to take this off the page. ~ magbatz 20:44, 25 Apr 2006 (CDT)
I have removed Hopeless Bleak Despair from both places as in now way is it a oxymoronic/paradoxical/contradictory. Songs are not, and very rarely are, nonfiction. ~ AnklePants
I don't think Cage & Aquarium is contradictory. It says that your best ideas are ideas that you stole, and now they're being stolen back.
In Sensurround, it's "made the fakeness realistic", not "made the fakeness real", so I wouldn't think that it's a contradiction, paradox, or oxymoron. The fakeness is made so it seems real, not so it is. Right? -curious and questioning (t) 01:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Should Climbing The Walls be in this list??? "Don't call me back, I won't get the door" --Goodtimes2
- Okay. ~ magbatz
I'm not going to mince words, this is one of the worst wiki articles I've ever seen. It's colloquial, un-encyclopedic, and its logic is flawed. It attempts to be cutesy and list simple non-truths as Paradoxes.
- Hotel Detective (future) - Cutesy
- 85 Special - Question
- Cowtown - Just false, not a paradox
- Happy - Flawed Logic
- I Can't... - My argument is made ON THE PAGE
- Ana Ng - Nothing is actually mentioned that's paradoxical
- Birdhouse - What is paradoxical about "filibuster diligently"?
- Cage & Aqua - wrong for logic above
- D is 4 - A thinking cap only assists thinking, it doesn't predicate it
- The Day - Not a paradox at all
- Fibber Island - He's fibbing, not contradicting
- Fun Assassin - while redundant, not the scope of this page
- Allowed to Think - However, a government agent can be criminal
- On the Drag - Again with a redundancy
- Sensurround - however ONLY fakeness can be realistic
- Shoehorn - He can't believe that he should be beat up as well?
- Sleeping - Since it's usual, it's not inherently contradictory
- Where your eyes - Wait, what? I dream every night without 'discovering' or remembering it
- Brainwashing - [Attention: English Major-type Talk] Brainwashing is in the present progressive tense, which means that at time of brainwashing, they're still Fighting Boys
- I never go to work - even in the cutesy explanation, it's just false, not contradictory
- Birthday - Provide all instances of it being played on June 12, and I would love to keep them.
- Particle Man - Even if it's the former meaning, he's a superhero, he can do whatever he wants
- Village Gate - Just because it's wrong, doesn't mean it's a contradiction
- Weep Day - Ditto.
Anyone care to defend these? -Flashfight
- Weep Day - "You were not the one I was addressing" - I believe this can be interpreted as a contradiction if the statement refers to itself, as in, "You are not the one I am talking to." "You" is an address. Is there a flaw in this argument? Walrusaurus 11:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me why Dr. Evil is an oxymoron, paradox, or contradictory statement? It must be something really obvious I'm missing because whatever is contradictory about it apparently needs no explanation. -- DidgeGuy (आ ज) 23:07, 9 May 2010
- Because doctors are usually such nice people! ... It's actually because of this verse, which the singer then calls "his contradictions":
- "When your name is Evil / Bad is good, or so you think / But you're so very wrong— it's Evil / But being wrong is right / So then you're good again / Which is the evilest thing of alllllllll". ~ magbatz 23:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
- Would it have hurt to ctrl+F the lyrics page? -some rhetorical question person 23:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
- Is that really a contradiction? Uh, let me work this out…I guess if you delete everything in between, it is "…Your name is Evil…so you're good again" But, even though he is, it never states that he is actually evil until the very end of the song ("He is Evil" [maybe necessary capitalization]), much after this verse is over. It's just his name. So is it actually a contradiction? -- DidgeGuy (आ ज) 1:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
- But the important thing to consider is that he actually is evil. -Captain Obvious 02:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
- Is that really a contradiction? Uh, let me work this out…I guess if you delete everything in between, it is "…Your name is Evil…so you're good again" But, even though he is, it never states that he is actually evil until the very end of the song ("He is Evil" [maybe necessary capitalization]), much after this verse is over. It's just his name. So is it actually a contradiction? -- DidgeGuy (आ ज) 1:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
- Do they ever specifically say that he is evil? Hmmm... They do say "Evil / in his mind there is no other game". This is turning into a big argument! -- Buzzmusic100 ("Keep your voice down...")
- "He's evil" is in there, yes indeed. Also John and/or John wrote that the evil/good again/evil thing was a contradictory statement in the song. Whether or not it is found that the lines of being evil and finding bad to be good correspond logically and formally to "contradiction", the mere posing of a possible contradiction as a contradiction is sure good enough for me. I somewhat doubt you're being serious, so I'll stop there. ~ magbatz 14:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
- You could say "He's Evil" as a name too. For example: "He's DidgeGuy" or "She's Apollo". It's capitalized on the lyrics page. Therefore, it's a name. By the way, saying "evil is good" is just false. Not really a paradox. -- Buzzmusic100 ("Keep your voice down...")
- Wait. Here's the story (atleast maybe):
- When your name is evil being bad is a good thing. (Fine. This kinda means he's evil. Maybe he's a terrible terrible doctor.) But you're wrong! Being bad is evil! Though, being wrong is right. (Little grammar problem) So your good again. And all of this is evil.
Tiny Doctors[edit]
I added Tiny Doctors to the list because of the opening line, "I'm never sad anymore", which always sounded particularly bleak to me. The whole song has a very dreary mood to it IMO. Funny But Sad might also apply. Not sure if other people agree with me on it though. So, if you strongly object to that song getting mentioned on this page, just undo my edit. I'd like to know what you guys think about it! Freakiosis 05:06, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
