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I agree that this is a gorgeous song of hopeless romance -- the idea that The One is diametrically opposite you on the planet is one of the most depressing, and beautiful, I've ever heard in music -- but I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this song is also about the futility of human endeavor in general. For all your planning, Linnell seems to suggest, for all your grooming and searching and wanting and hoping, your true love, by sheer accident of birth, might still be on the other side of the world. You can't do anything about it. Certain lines seem to support this idea -- the storm tangling up the wires, for example, is a pretty perfect metaphor for how uncontrollable events defeat the attempts people make to connect with each other. The scene in the video of hands adjusting what looks like a surveyor's instrument -- the person turns the device carefully, goes to make some fine adjustment, and the lens falls off, the hands recoil. Another image representing the transitory nature of what man does, how all his works crumble. And of course there's that last lyric -- "And the truth is, we don't know anything." Man oh man. Only They Might Be Giants.
 
I agree that this is a gorgeous song of hopeless romance -- the idea that The One is diametrically opposite you on the planet is one of the most depressing, and beautiful, I've ever heard in music -- but I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this song is also about the futility of human endeavor in general. For all your planning, Linnell seems to suggest, for all your grooming and searching and wanting and hoping, your true love, by sheer accident of birth, might still be on the other side of the world. You can't do anything about it. Certain lines seem to support this idea -- the storm tangling up the wires, for example, is a pretty perfect metaphor for how uncontrollable events defeat the attempts people make to connect with each other. The scene in the video of hands adjusting what looks like a surveyor's instrument -- the person turns the device carefully, goes to make some fine adjustment, and the lens falls off, the hands recoil. Another image representing the transitory nature of what man does, how all his works crumble. And of course there's that last lyric -- "And the truth is, we don't know anything." Man oh man. Only They Might Be Giants.
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I read somewhere that the John's were inspired to write this song when they saw a cartoon where a cupid shot an arrow through the Earth. I've also heard the same story, but a gun was shot instead.
 
I read somewhere that the John's were inspired to write this song when they saw a cartoon where a cupid shot an arrow through the Earth. I've also heard the same story, but a gun was shot instead.
  
I checked the globe out of curiousity as well, on I found out that directly opposite of Brooklyn is actually somewhere near a city called Yinchwan, China.
 
 
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China? Opposite brooklyn? Not a chance. Both Brooklyn and China are northern hemisphere... to be truly opposite, you need to switch hemispheres as well. See image above.
 
  
 
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I believe the gunshot cartoon was from a Pogo comic.  Pogo was also the source of [[Lines Upon A Tranquil Brow]].
 
I believe the gunshot cartoon was from a Pogo comic.  Pogo was also the source of [[Lines Upon A Tranquil Brow]].
  
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As I've been involved in a long-distance relationship for quite some time, I've found that the song's lyrics very accurately describe exactly how it feels to be in one: rewarding, and yet at times very depressing. I could elaborate, but many of the above who've already contributed have done so better than I could ever hope to. - [[TheNintenGenius]]
 
 
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If you aim a gun perpendicular to a globe with the barrel at Brooklyn, you're shooting straight across, because the globe is assumed to be acting as your y-axis. The gun is then, your x-axis. The exit wound of the bullet is in a foreign nation, in the same hemisphere. Try it sometime. Get a gun and shoot the mess out of a globe. - [[Pacdude]]
 
 
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However, there's the intriguing line "Water spirals the wrong way out the sink," which would imply the Southern Hemisphere. All in all, there's no way to logically deduce which angle would have been used, but if John & John say they were talking about China, then China it is, in my opinion. It's silly to argue the details, because in true TMBG form, they don't quite fit together, but that's part of what makes it a fun song. - [[Matt]]
 
  
 
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I'd say this song has been pretty well summed up by everyone previously.  There is one thing missing, though, and it's one of my favourite parts of the song.  When he's at the World's Fair, the bench is still warm: his True Love was there, at that very bench, and he just missed her! Isn't that the way it goes?  I have a personal experience just like that.  I am from Cleveland, Ohio, and my fiancée is from Buffalo, New York.  When we were much younger, I was in Boy Scouts (in Cleveland) and she was in Girl Scouts (in Buffalo).  Now, apparently, our troops both went to an attraction in Buffalo AT THE SAME TIME!!  So, we probably saw each other when we were there and didn't even realize it, and it wasn't until college NINE YEARS LATER that we finally met and fell in love.  Wild, huh?--[[User:Managerpants|Managerpants]] 19:34, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)
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I'd say this song has been pretty well summed up by everyone previously.  There is one thing missing, though, and it's one of my favourite parts of the song.  When he's at the World's Fair, the bench is still warm: his True Love was there, at that very bench, and he just missed her!  
 
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While Ana Ng is definitely a love song, I think it's actually about a sort of love triangle.  Notice that everytime before the chorus plays, the narrarator makes a reference to something else that makes noise, be it a record that may be broken or backwards, or be it a mysterious voice speaking through the PA at the bus stop.  This leads me to believe that this song in fact has two narrarators; the chorus singer and the verse singer.  The chorus singer could potentially be a famous singer of some sort, which would explain his voice on the records.  The singer of the chorus is in love with Ana, where the verse singer is a nobody in this situation.  For some mysterious reason, however, all of the chorus singer's attempts to communicate with Ana are accidentilly intercepted by the verse singer.  The first record is backwards because apparently, everything in Ana Ng's world is backwards, so it would play forward in a record player over there.  This verse singer, being constantly bombarded with things refering to this mysterious Ana Ng has made him obsessed with the girl.  The chorus singer has accidentilly made the verse singer fall in love with his girl.  Which one of them gets the girl in the end is not revealed, and is left up to the imagination (though it seems that the chorus singer would, since the verse singer is nothing but an obsessed freak that Ana has never met).
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I think that in some ways, the music video supports this theory.  During the chorus, both Johns are dancing around like puppets, in complete sync with each other. This is because they are both slaves of their love for Ana Ng. There's also a small segment where the two walk from opposite sides of the screen, meet at the middle, shake hands, and keeep walking, their heads pointed to the ground.  The two lovers of Ana may in fact know each other, and not realize that the other is trying to steal his girl.
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Anyway, that's my take on the song.
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"her voice is a backwards record" may be refering to the fact that she speaks a language that is completely unintelligible to him which reminds me of the phrase to describe something that is not understandable to someone due to lacking certain knowledge, "it's all Chinese to me"
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''You wind up the NG and let it fly. It makes a hole perpendicular to the name of The Seaside Town, with an exit wound in a foreign nation. It splits cleanly into two halves. You don't want the whole thing, or even your half, so you leave it and continue on.''
 
''You wind up the NG and let it fly. It makes a hole perpendicular to the name of The Seaside Town, with an exit wound in a foreign nation. It splits cleanly into two halves. You don't want the whole thing, or even your half, so you leave it and continue on.''
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Ascension is the last and final world you can reach in ''Kingdom of Loathing''. I heared not much clans have made it that far. I guess the NG is an item he whas carrying along on the moment he fought the ''Gaint Desktop Globe'', wich he had to use.  But I dont play it, so dont take it for true. As for the rest, the constellation is creepy, but does not support the interprations of the lyrics of the song. Interesting, though.
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Ascension is the last and final world you can reach in ''Kingdom of Loathing''. I heard not many clans have made it that far. I guess the NG is an item he whas carrying along on the moment he fought the ''Gaint Desktop Globe'', wich he had to use.  But I dont play it, so dont take it for true. As for the rest, the constellation is creepy, but does not support the interprations of the lyrics of the song. Interesting, though.
  
 
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Ana Ng (the most common Chinese name the Johns found in the Phone book when writing the song) is a woman on the exact opposite side of the world of the singer. The first couple of lines introduce this poetic idea: "Make a hole with a gun, perpendicular/ to the name of this town on a desktop globe/ exit wound in a foreign nation/ showing the home of the one this was written for." In the rest of the song, John (one of 'em) sings more about their relationship, though they "still haven't walked in the glow of each other's majestic presence." (Being the dork TMBG fan that I am, I checked what was on the opposite side of the globe, from Brooklyn, New York, and it's the middle of the Indian Ocean... hey, maybe Ana's a fish [I doubt it]) ~MC


Ana Ng and I are getting old and we still haven't walked in the glow of each other's majestic presence sums up the song nicely. It is a beautiful song of despair over not having found one's soulmate, believing she must be on the other side of the world and therefore practically unattainable. Using a gun on a globe is suggestive suicide (just point it at your own dome instead). The song also brings back memories of children's cartoons, in which characters dug straight down through the earth and wound up upside-down in China.


For the curious, I made a world map (years ago) that superimposes a world map over another, showing what is opposite to anywhere. worldmap_upsidedown.thumb.png http://www.nut.house.cx/~nemo/gallery/misc/worldmap_upsidedown


I agree that this is a gorgeous song of hopeless romance -- the idea that The One is diametrically opposite you on the planet is one of the most depressing, and beautiful, I've ever heard in music -- but I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this song is also about the futility of human endeavor in general. For all your planning, Linnell seems to suggest, for all your grooming and searching and wanting and hoping, your true love, by sheer accident of birth, might still be on the other side of the world. You can't do anything about it. Certain lines seem to support this idea -- the storm tangling up the wires, for example, is a pretty perfect metaphor for how uncontrollable events defeat the attempts people make to connect with each other. The scene in the video of hands adjusting what looks like a surveyor's instrument -- the person turns the device carefully, goes to make some fine adjustment, and the lens falls off, the hands recoil. Another image representing the transitory nature of what man does, how all his works crumble. And of course there's that last lyric -- "And the truth is, we don't know anything." Man oh man. Only They Might Be Giants.


Well Vietnam is pretty far away too. Ana Ng Might Be Vietnamese. "Exit wound in a foreign nation." Doesn't that "dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun duuuun" beat make you think a platoon jumping off a helicopter or something? "I don't want the world, I just want your half" could be an expression of the inherent contradiction of imposing one's principals, no matter how democratic or beneficial, in an imperialistic manner. So maybe Ana Ng is one of those extended metaphor thingies for all Vietnam, never walking in the glow of the majestic presence of a capitalist economy and democratic government. Riiight. Uh, so, in conclusion, if you look at parts of the lyrics out of context, and glaze over the rest, Ana Ng becomes a profound commentary on the failure of the U.S.'s interventionist policies in Southeast Asia. Hey, you know what Mill said about the importance of wrong ideas in the marketplace. -Josh Stern


I read somewhere that the John's were inspired to write this song when they saw a cartoon where a cupid shot an arrow through the Earth. I've also heard the same story, but a gun was shot instead.



I believe the gunshot cartoon was from a Pogo comic. Pogo was also the source of Lines Upon A Tranquil Brow.



I had a thought: the narrative of Ana Ng could all take place in the course of a day. The singer is in his apartment looking at his globe and thinking about the other side of the world. The closest he can get to the other side of the world is the ('64) World's Fair, where he sees all kinds of crazy stuff. Then the third verse takes place in the bus depot on the way home, where he thinks about how pointless the day was (sticking like a broken record, playing over and over like any other day) and realises that he "doesn't know anything". Taa daa! - Dave


I'm pretty sure that the "Eighty dolls yelling 'Small girl after all'" is a reference to the "It's a Small World After All" boat ride, and someone (possiably Ana?) thinking that the dolls are singing about her.

The "It's a Small World After All" attraction, later moved to Walt Disney World, was created as a UNICEF exhibit for the 1964-65 New York World's Fair. The ride features scenes from nations around the globe. The singer contemplates the many other places his "true love" may be found. (Perhaps China, but she could be anywhere, even the DuPont Pavillion.) It's more depressing when you consider that he is "all alone" in a ride very similar to a classic "Tunnel of Love."


I'd say this song has been pretty well summed up by everyone previously. There is one thing missing, though, and it's one of my favourite parts of the song. When he's at the World's Fair, the bench is still warm: his True Love was there, at that very bench, and he just missed her!


"Like a whirlpool, it never ends": from Tommy Roe's '69 hit single "Dizzy". I used to ride my rocking horse to that song, maybe the Johns did too.

Ivo


Interesting tidbit. A friend who plays Kingdoms of Loathing alerted me to this, which is apparently the final fight before you reach ascension, whatever that means.


You're fighting a Giant Desktop Globe


This is a massive, full-color rendering of the entire planet, made to sit on an equally massive desktop. It spins menacingly, perpendicular to its shiny metal axis. Certain continents look much more threatening than others, but the overall effect is startling.


To defeat it, you need to use the NG. No idea what an NG is, but here's the text my friend sent me:


You use the NG.


You wind up the NG and let it fly. It makes a hole perpendicular to the name of The Seaside Town, with an exit wound in a foreign nation. It splits cleanly into two halves. You don't want the whole thing, or even your half, so you leave it and continue on.


Ascension is the last and final world you can reach in Kingdom of Loathing. I heard not many clans have made it that far. I guess the NG is an item he whas carrying along on the moment he fought the Gaint Desktop Globe, wich he had to use. But I dont play it, so dont take it for true. As for the rest, the constellation is creepy, but does not support the interprations of the lyrics of the song. Interesting, though.

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