Talk:Superfueled Freaksickle

Speculation about what the real version may have been like...

I think what all of us (myself included up to this pondering) have been thinking the tracklist would have been like are making the assumed leap that it would have *automatically* have been Miscellaneous T II. Is it in fact more likely that Superfueled Freaksicle would have been conceived not solely as a way of re-releasing some of the best Elektra B-sides, but also as an outlet for the half-album's worth of then-still-unreleased Factory Showroom outtakes that belatedly became much of Long Tall Weekend two years later? (Speculating further and more wildly, there is then the oddness about the fact the rushed-out-to-lick-wounds Severe Tire Damage has two studio tracks on it. And also we've never been quite sure where the redone-but-not-billed-as-new James K Polk from the Dial-A-Song compilation came from either. Were they doing any new recording for Freaksicle?)

Basically... would it have been half a 'new' album and half a compilation of selected B-side highlights? A bit like how Long Tall Weekend is a canonical TMBG LP but obviously isn't, just being outtakes, works in progress and detritus. Essentially, what I am supposing is that Long Tall Weekend *was* basically Superfueled Freaksicle minus all the EP tracks Elektra owned distribution rights to, bulked out to half an hour with other expendable stuff that was hanging round and wasn't crucial to the project that became Mink Car.

I also doubt *any* official version would have featured everything we've got on our homemade ones... stuff like the Christmas 7" and the Phil Ochs cover at least. Quite apart from anything else, I'm not sure they'd have been that keen to blend the sequencer and live band eras too strongly either, for pure aural aesthetic reasons.

Worth thinking about... ~SirDarrell

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Okay, I will be forever furious that this has never been released by Elektra. I can never find bootlegs, and I can't find the EPs that contain the b-sides that I love so much from this collection (Sensurround, Unforgotten, Ondine, She Was A Hotel Detective, etc.) and...well, I'm just steaming mad. - Overjoy

How may I acquire this, anyway? ~Anna Ng hears your words.

It's really a playlist to make for yourself if you have the songs, not meant to be a circulated bootleg. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 01:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Crap...then how do I go about acquiring some of these songs? :/ ~Anna Ng hears your words.

eBay, or you can listen to a bunch on TMBG Clock Radio. -CapitalQ ♫ talk ♪ 13:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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It should be called "Mourning Becomes Elektra".

You win. ~Anna Ng hears your words. 18:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

As I'm sure all of you have noticed, Employee Of The Month said something about Superfueled Freaksickle...does this possibly mean that it might be released? I'll keep my fingers crossed! ~Anna Ng hears your words. 18:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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I noticed something interesting, but just related it to this album. A lot of the b-side/EP tracks from Clock Radio had track numbers that were X out of 29. Could this have been a 'rip' of Superfueled Freaksickle? I only ever got 26 of the 29, but here's what the list looked like:

1. James K Polk
2. Stormy Pinkness
3. Ant
4. One More Parade
5. Your Racist Friend (remix)
6. Welcome to the Jungle
7. I Blame You
8. Moving to the Sun
9. Cabbagetown
10. Siftin'
11. She's Actual Size (remix)
12. DON'T HAVE
13. Why Does the Sun Shine So? (demo)
14. Jessica
15. Whirlpool
16. Spy (original version)
17. DON'T HAVE
18. DON'T HAVE
19. Ondine
20. She Was a Hotel Detective
21. Mrs. Train
22. Snail Shell (another remix)
23. Sensurround
24. 25 O'Clock
25. Sensurround (other version)
26. Unforgotten
27. We've Got a World That Swings
28. Oddball (Mono Puff)
29. Triptaphane (Mono Puff)

Granted, I think it'd be a little weird to include Mono Puff songs on there, but makes you think, doesn' it? If I had to guess, 17 and 18 would be O Tannenbaum and Christmas Cards, not sure about 12 though. -Joltman 12:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wow, nice find! If I ever collect all the tracks, I'm using that there playlist. Seeing as how it follows chronological order for the most part, yes, O Tannenbaum and Christmas Cards are those two. And as for the last missing track, maybe Rocket Ship? Akagi 03:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I have an official guess for what track 12 would be: Particle Man (Live At Mountain Stage). It's the only track I can find that was released in the timeframe around the tracks before and after it. -Joltman 12:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure sure on that one. It's kinda weird to have one live track in a mix of 28 studio-recorded tracks. But yes, it is either or one of our two guesses or an unreleased song. My guess is still Rocket Ship, which is from 1992 and therefore also flows with the chronological order. Though one thing I noticed is that The Guitar's tracks come before I Palindrome I's tracks... so does that mean the release dates for those EPs are wrong on their respective pages? Akagi 13:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking that live track because it was a released non-album track at the time, whereas Rocket Ship wasn't released until a few years later on a TMBG thing. As for the Guitar/Palindrome EPs, I noticed that too, but I doubt we have the wrong dates here, because our dates match Amazon and the catalog number for Guitar is before the catalog number for Palindrome -Joltman 13:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

You all are forgetting The Statue Got Me High (EP) which includes Which Describes How You're Feeling (Demo Version) and I'm Def. They are the only other songs from 1992 or 1993. As you can tell, this entire list is nothing more than every non-album release from 1990's Istanbul (Not Constantinople) (EP) to 1996's S-E-X-X-Y (EP) in order (except Guitar and Palindrome are switched). Even the tracks are in the order they appear on their respective EPs (minus all of the album tracks). This is pretty much how Miscellaneous T listed its tracks as well (except backwards). For those of you keeping score at home, these are the releases. --badqueso 14:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, though, there's only space left for one more track, but there's two on The Statue Got Me High EP. And I figure they were left out because the tracks were already released on Then: The Earlier Years for some reason. Akagi 14:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the Statue tracks, I didn't consider them since they were on Then, and Then was released in early 1997, the same year that Superfueled Freaksickle was supposed to come out. I still stand by the live Particle Man track, and there's nothing you can do about it :P -Joltman 16:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

This 29 track version is taken straight from a fan-made bootleg, which was distributed via alt.music.tmbg about 8 years ago. Here's the google groups link to the discussion [1]. Everything was ripped directly from the original CDs, or vinyl. The Mono Puff tracks were only included because there was just some leftover space on an 80 minute CD-R. It also had a second disc, which inluded all official remixes. I bought one back then, for a nominal fee, but I've since manage to find a copy of every Elektra era single (without resorting to ebay), besides the Statue Got Me High one, those tracks are on Then anyway. -leeb

Wait, so that means that whoever uploaded the files for Clock Radio ripped them from a bootleg? I find that amusing. Akagi 16:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It appears that way, doesn't it. That's incredible. TMBG collects TMBG bootlegs too. --Oddjob 20:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Really *really* late to the party!

The 29-track listing above is indeed the exact track list of disc 1 of the Superfueled Freaksicle compilation that I made for alt.music.tmbg. As guessed, track 12 is Particle Man live at Mountain Stage. Tracks 17 and 18 are O Tannenbaum and Christmas Cards. I made copies of this compilation with full color art for a small group of people on the newsgroup, at roughly cost (which was fairly hefty back when 80-minute CD-Rs were expensive and you had to go to a print/copy shop to get good full color double-sided printing). Obviously this wasn't a project that was condoned by TMBG, so they officially had Operator Dot ask me to stop distributing them, though she (or They) was interested in getting a copy. At that time I made two full copies for TMBG and sent them to Operator Dot along with the remaining uncut sheets of cover & booklet art. So that's undoubtedly how it ended up on TMBG Clock Radio - it would have been an easy rip.

Way to be badass, geez. That's awesome. Also. Sometimes it freaks me out how much attention they're paying to us. A LITTLE. --Self Called Nowhere 17:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Only one opinion...

Somebody should tell Bryce he's wrong about the title as to spelling. Specifically, the name "Popcicle". It's actually spelled "Popsicle". (So, I guess this would make the title, "Superfueled Freaksicle"? :) )--Furrball 06:25, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Switched singles & Superfueled artwork

Regarding the several-year-old discussion above about the I Pal I and Guitar singles being switched on my 29-track version of Superfueled: I did that because the Elektra product numbers are switched. Even though I Palindrome I came out first, it has a later product number than The Guitar. There was less information available online back in 1999 and I don't think I had the exact release dates; placing them in order of product number seemed the best plan.

Maybe I should add the artwork and track lists of my 2-disc version to the article. It's kind of buried here on the discussion page.