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A User's Guide To TMBG data?[edit | edit source]

I just got the CD because I heard that the liner notes were something special, and boy are they. They feature "A Fairly Complete List of They Might Be Giants Gigs Since 1985". It lists plenty of dates that aren't on this site. For example, there are 31 dates listed for 1985, and only the last two are on here. Only four of the 22 dates listed for 1986 are here, and so on. Unfortunately, the venues aren't listed, only dates and cities. Is it worth copying the data? --TDK

I say go ahead. We can always try to gather the missing info at a later date. Copy as much as you can! --Duke33 11:32, 3 Jun 2005 (EDT)
I heartily second this sentiment. I would love to see what we're missing. We've just been putting "unknown" when we haven't known the venue, if you want to keep it uniform. Thanks for offering! — aliste
Okay, I have just added the 29 dates listed for 1985 and the 18 listed for 1986. Can one of you fine wikians create the individual pages for them? Or could that be a job for ThisMightBeABot? Should there be some kind of notation to indicate the source? (User's Guide)
That's going to be it for today, 1987 and 1988 each have about *85* dates listed (with stops in Europe at the end of '87), and we only have like fifteen of them total. That's going to take a while. --TDK
Awesome, I love seeing the lists growing. Also, I was thinking, if you wanted to try automating the process somewhat, I have OCR software so if I had scans of the pages I could run them through and generate the text immediately rather than having to type it all out manually, and then converting the raw text to a wiki table could be done quickly with a script. If there isn't a huge amount of data though this might not actually be much more efficient than just doing it all by hand. Just a thought I had.
Re: individual show pages, we haven't been creating them until we have any info about the show other than the date/city/venue. There really wouldn't be anything to say on the page that hadn't already been shown in the table, and actually I kind of like it that I can tell with a glance at the red or blue links whether there's more info or not (they're kind of like the helpful colored asterisks on the old tmbg.net pages). But, y'know, whatever. — aliste
It just hit me that 1991 is completely ommited from the list, finally setting to rest the mystery of "Didn't TMBG Play Any Shows In 1991?!"
If there is a way that someone can scan the info into a text file, i can set up ThisMightBeABot to read the files, and import them. Just let me know ahead of time, so that we can agree on some sort of file format. But, it shouldn't be too complicated (at least on my end). --Duke33 16:02, 4 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Okay, I just converted the 1987 dates from the scan TDK sent me. The OCR software is doing quite a good job with recognition (I'm using Readiris for Mac) which makes it pretty quick since I have almost nothing that needs to be corrected by hand. One non-conversion problem I noticed, I checked against what we already had on the page and merged the info, but the 1987-06-23 page has got me stumped, because the User's Guide lists that date as being in Charlottesville while our page had Richmond on that date. That's not such a big deal except there's a whole setlist there (I believe this show is a fairly commonly-shared bootleg) and I don't know what we should do with the info—move it to 1987-01-19 which according to the UG is in Richmond, or what? And what about all those poor people with the bootleg who now don't know exactly where it's from? :P
And a similar problem with Shows/1988-06-17.
1990 was a weird one—we actually already had more dates than They list, although we were also missing a few that are in the booklet. — aliste

Okay, the User's Guide updates are done. There really wasn't much to add/change from 1992 on (good job tmbg.net!). I didn't notice any other major problems besides the ones already cited above—I generally assumed the UG was correct when there were small discrepancies, e.g. a date off by 1 day. I was also glad that I was finally able to solve the problem I noticed when we initially imported the dates, of how They were able to play in both Australia and New Zealand in the same day (answer: they didn't). Thanks again TDK! — aliste

You got it. Thanks for doing most of the work. By the way, did you know that the tmbg.net shows archive was started using my tape list (that's not on my site anymore) as a base? -TDK

No, I had no idea. Cool. (I was probably barely aware of the internet when the archive started. How things have changed. :P ) — aliste

resuscitating the tmbg.net shows archive[edit | edit source]

I'd love to see the all old data from tmbg.net reproduced here. I toyed with the idea of putting it all on my own site, but I've decided it's more work than I want to do on my own. :P

Before we jump in and fire up the Wayback Machine, though, I think we should give some thought to the organization and presentation of it all. I tend to think we'll need to split the master list by year. Some other things to consider:

Do we want a show's setlist to appear on the same page as its fan recaps? If they're on separate pages, do we want to link to them from a single list of show dates, or should they have separate lists? How do we want to format the setlists?

With the user profiles we already have, it'd be cool for each profile to be able to list "Shows I've Attended" and/or "My Reviews." (I had envisioned this kind of thing down the road for tmbg.net, but alas.) Once all the show data is on the wiki, it's easy enough to insert the links into your own profile by hand. It would be nice to reverse this too, such that each show's page lists the wikians who were in attendance. :)

I'm certain there must be more ideas that I'm not thinking of. --Bryce

Bryce, I would love to see all that stuff up here too. I'm not too good at planning the organization, but I'd be more than happy to help out with the purely mechanical work of transferring the info to the wiki when it's been decided how it should be arranged. So count me in on this project. — Aliste

I think that's a great idea. i'd be willing to help with the transfer also. No Mo 16:31, 2 Mar 2005 (EST)

I'm going to attempt some regular expression magic to turn the rest of these into the wiki format. — scragz
I've been working on this a bit too, and am almost done with the 1992 list (I've been working from the bottom), so that one's taken care of.

Took me a couple minutes to get the process down, but I can do these in no time now. The process is:

  1. copy the year into a new file
  2. remove trailing splats (*)
  3. reverse lines since we're using reverse chronological order for some reason
  4. search for "(\d*)/(\d*)/(\d*)-(.*)-(.*)\n"
  5. replace with "|-\n| [[Shows/19$3-$1-$2|19$3-$1-$2]]\n| $4\n| $5\n"
  6. rejoice

scragz

What to do about the unknown dates? See 1992 for example. — scragz

Yeah, those are annoying me. Where it's just the day of the month missing, I've left the day as question marks; for 1992 there were several with no information at all, so as you can see I stuck them down at the bottom in their own lonely corner. I was thinking if by some miracle someone can come up with the date eventually, then the show can be moved into its proper place. Re: reverse chronological order, that was just the way the past shows were on the old page, so I copied them over that way, which in retrospect probably wasn't wise. It is indeed a pain in the ass to reverse the list, but now that most of the year pages are done, it'll be another pain in the ass to change them back. However, I'm not averse to having them in the normal order if somebody wants to change them back. — aliste 17:32, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
I use timing belt, and it has a reverse lines macro. — scragz
So...you're volunteering to reverse everything? :P Seriously, I personally don't care which way it goes as long as it's consistent through all the pages. — aliste
Not exactly volunteering, I was just mentioning it because you said it was a PITA to reverse the list initially. It would be easy enough to re-reverse them if not for the comments on opening acts, etc. under some of the rows. The thing about regular expressions is that you need patterns. — scragz
No, you're right, the initial reversal isn't really a problem. But now that everything's split into separate lines with the markings for the table formatting, it's gotten more annoying. It could certainly still be done with a bit of finagling. — aliste
Nice work on reversing the dates. — scragz
Heh, thanks. The reverse chronological order thing was really starting to bother me, because it definitely is counterintuitive, so I figured we should go ahead and switch everything right away, before people got used to the other way. A little bit of search-and-replace/sort/search-and-replace took care of the re-reversal pretty quickly. I did like the list of years going backward into the past on the front page, but then I realized if I stuck the navigation bar in there instead it would accomplish the same thing in less space and make all the Shows pages consistent. And thanks for converting all those dates from the archived tmbg.net stuff. I think our new Shows pages look pretty good. :) — aliste
Now onto the shows themselves. — scragz

reorganizing main Shows page?[edit | edit source]

Okay, I moved the shows that are no longer "upcoming" to "past," but I'd like to organize this page even more, especially if we are going to move the old tmbg.net stuff over. If we leave it in the current single-list format for all shows throughout history it'll be completely overwhelming, and impossible to navigate. It's hardly comprehensible at its current length (IMO). I like Bryce's idea of a separate page for each year (leaving current/past shows from the current year on the front Shows page?). And then once we have a place for everything we can start moving all the tmbg.net stuff to its tidy new home. Comments, suggestions, objections? — aliste

I like your idea of adding a new page for each year. That would work pretty well, i think. --Duke33 15:56, 30 Mar 2005 (EST)

Is it possible to have the recent shows bit linked to the 2005 page somehow so we can have those shows be in both places without having to do every edit twice? — scragz
You could possibly create 2005 as a template, and then use that template on the shows page, so that it would import the 2005 page automatically. Only issue with that is, if someone wants to add a new show, they would have to edit the 2005 page, and not the shows page. --Duke33 16:20, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
That's not too big of a problem. I just edited the footer template and on the containing pages it says, "Templates used in this page" or something. That's a bit beyond my wiki abilities, however, so it would be swell if someone else would take that assignment. — scragz
I was thinking we could just have the main Shows page also serve as the current year page; if it's reasonably well updated throughout the year, then when 2006 starts we can simply copy all the information into the new 2005 page and start afresh. This might cause a bit of confusion if they were to announce dates for next year this year (which is entirely possible), but would be less complicated than trying to keep two pages updated at once. — aliste 16:30, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
In that case, I have an idea. How about changing the "2005" I added to the footer to "Current" or something? I only started all of this trouble because I was going through the various years trying to find all of the shows I'd been to, and it wasn't possible to get to 2005 the same way as other years. — scragz lunchtime (PST)
Good point, I hadn't thought about that navigation problem. "Current" is a good name for it, and if we just point it back to the main Shows page we won't have to worry about updating 2 pages at the same time. I'll edit the template now. aliste 16:48, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)

Show Import[edit | edit source]

I'm just about done with an import script that i'm writing...I'm going to use ThisMightBeABot to import the shows from the wayback machine, and import them to the wiki. Give me a few days...it should be ready to go by Monday...It's 90% done, but just needs some minor tweaking.

I love the auto-import 'cause I was realizing if we tried to do it all by hand it would probably take us years. One thing I noticed is that the imported text often comes in all wacky (I mean not formatted correctly, with the venue info/reviews over in the right-hand sidebar with the setlist instead of separately at the left) and I think it's because the </div> tag at the end of the setlist div is not on a separate line. At least, when I move it to its own line the problem resolves. Would it be possible to modify the bot to put that closing tag on a separate line? It's easy enough to fix by hand later but if we could do it beforehand the raw import will just look a bit nicer. Thanks! aliste
Done - Let me know if there are any other changes you want made. Sorry it's not 100% correct all the time...I'm parsing html that isn't always consistent. --Duke33 16:42, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
No, I realize it's not an exact science, and overall the results are quite good. I'm amazed that it can be automated at all, so thank you for your work on this. — aliste
Amen. I am astounded at the progress you guys have made in what seems from my extremely busy perspective to be a very short time. I've just done a few of the manual cleanups, and even on the ones where the cleanup is really extensive it's still much faster than starting from scratch. —Bryce

This page needs to be deleted—I created an entirely new page with a different name because there are two shows on that date. There are a couple (a very few) other dates on which there are two shows which may need to be taken care of in this way also. — aliste

This one also. — aliste
Done - both are deleted. --Duke33 22:30, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Beardo 2006[edit | edit source]

damnit, why doesn't TMBG have a date for the New Orleans area? also, why are They going to St. Louis again? They went in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and now They're going in 2006. it's just not fair. -Nosaj56 21:19, 13 Mar 2006 (CST)

At least they went to New Orleans in '04. They haven't been to Florida since 2002. I was ecstatic when I heard of a Southern tour. Even then, St. Petersburg is well over 100 miles from me. --badqueso 21:39, 13 Mar 2006 (CST)

Albany show cancellation?[edit | edit source]

If the Albany show is canceled, why not simply remove it from the page rather than doing the ugly strike-through thing? For that matter, I see the show is still listed on High Road Touring's page, so are we absolutely sure it's canceled? (i.e., do we trust them less than we trust Dan Miller?) — aliste

I crossed it out for the reason that there might be somebody visiting that heard about the show so it would be better to have it saying it was canceled, wouldn't it? Also, like you said it's still on highroadtouring so its not 100%, though I would tend to believe the official site and think that HRT just hasn't updated yet.. and I don't think that it's Dan himself doing every update. -TDK 12:40, 24 Mar 2006 (CST)
Okay, that makes sense, although I would consider HRT to be an official site also since they're the ones who do the actual business of booking. In any case, theymightbegiants.com isn't necessarily the absolute authority on official information—there have been inaccurate tour dates on there before; and meanwhile, tmbg.com is also an official site, but its information is rarely 100% accurate either. And I do assume it's Dan doing all the updates, if only because of the unique spelling and grammar. :P — aliste
Okay, but we're not talking about an inaccurate date; we're talking about the removal of a date. I'm not saying that HRT isn't an official source, I'm just saying that they probably aren't caught up yet. And you shouldn't assume that Miller is the only one doing all the updates, including a little thing like going in there to remove one specific date. Why would they do that if it wasn't canceled?? -TDK 20:08, 24 Mar 2006 (CST)
Okay, I was just joking about Miller, I'm sorry you didn't catch my emoticon indicating that. I'll try not to be so jocular next time and hopefully you won't have to scold me again. :P Anyway, HRT and theymightbegiants.com agree now on all dates (I believe) so I respectfully withdraw my objection to the current layout. — aliste
HRT removed it. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 08:51, 25 Mar 2006 (CST)
Whoops, nevermind. I see you already figured that out. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 08:52, 25 Mar 2006 (CST)
According to the latest TMBG newsletter email, the Albany show and the Indianapolis show seem to be back on. ~ magbatz 19:52, 13 Apr 2006 (CDT)
Albany has been confirmed, but not Indianapolis. It was removed from the list at the very top of the new newsletter, looks like They just forgot to take it off the later list. -TDK 07:10, 15 Apr 2006 (CDT)

show page formatting[edit | edit source]

Okay, this is bugging the hell out of me—on a couple of the new show pages (Shows/2006-05-03 at least), the "edit" link for the "Fan Recaps and Comments" section is down mixed in with the text of the recap section, rather than being aligned with the section header as it is on most other pages. Is its position set relative to something else, or should it be at a fixed point higher up, or is this something only I am seeing? I think it looks really weird and I can't figure out how to correct it.

The edit link is misaligned on there for two reasons:
1) There are too many links under Links
2) "Michael Leviton featuring Leah Hayes on glockenspiel" was too long, but I just shortened it to "Michael Leviton w/ Leah Hayes", so that's fine. As for the links, I don't know what to do. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 17:16, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

Also something I just noticed, the show attendance frame doesn't wrap? For example, in Shows/2006-04-26 and Shows/2006-05-09. The list of wikians in attendance just goes across in a straight line, so after a certain point the names get cut off/disappear. Is it possible to add a line break after each name, rather than having them list horizontally? — aliste

A break after each name would be a bit ugly, but I'm sure Duke33 will agree with you about the wrapping and add a 240px~ width limit to the frame soon. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 17:16, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
I fixed it myself, Duke33 had it set up to put two &nbsp's after each name, preventing the browser from wrapping text since it's all one big non-breaking string. I changed the second non-breaking space to just a regular space, problem solved. :) -CapitalQtalk ♪ 19:20, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
You still have the multiple word username problem though. --badqueso 19:49, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

Mohegan Sun?[edit | edit source]

Is anyone else concerned that the 7/1 Mohegan Sun show isn't mentioned at mohegansun.com? The only thing they have listed for July 1 at the moment is Burt Bacharach (!). I guess maybe the "Wolf Den" doesn't release its schedule this far in advance? The Wolf Den schedule only goes to 6/18.

Lincoln Park Zoo[edit | edit source]

I'm going with the friend that intoduced me to TMBG, and it's the first TMBG for the both of us. Is anyone else here going? -- TheBlunderbuss 00:55, 5 Jun 2006 (CDT)

I plan to go as well. I'm coming from Cleveland to see this, as it's an all ages show, and I can bring my little brother with me who would die to see them. --Ehsteve14 19:49, 6 Jun 2006 (MDT)

How excellent for you and your brother! Oddly enough, my parents want to go too, since I've apparently turned my mother on to the Johns. I'll be in quite the pack. Look for the guy with a Stylophone >.< -- TheBlunderbuss 12:10, 7 Jun 2006 (MDT)

My boyfriend and I are also going! First for us both, I'm really excited. I'm kind of worried that their selection will be a bit stunted, though, what with the all-ages thing. It's understandable, though. But I hope they'll play some of the stuff they've been playing at the other shows, like Meet James Ensor (my boyfriend's theme song :D) and Purple Toupee (though I've given up hope on Damn Good Times and Drink! ;) --Shellbelle 14:18, 25 Jun 2006 (MDT)

They've played Damn Good Times and Drink! at pretty much every show so far this year, and several of those were all-ages shows, so I wouldn't worry about not getting those songs. They don't completely overhaul their setlists that quickly. :) — aliste
Seriously? That's pretty sweet. Thinking about it, I knew The Pageant was all-ages (and honestly, I should've gone...). ooh, I can't wait! --Shellbelle 12:06, 26 Jun 2006 (MDT)

On another note... so, how about this Ralph Covert guy? Anyone heard his stuff before, is it any good? --Shellbelle 11:22, 1 Jul 2006 (MDT)

He's some kind of children's song writer, like Raffi or Tom Chapin ralphcovert.com -- TheBlunderbuss 16:32, 5 Jul 2006 (MDT)

Hah! I got my music prof interested in going ^_^ TheBlunderbuss 05:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

WXPN Radio Show[edit | edit source]

Is there any chance that someone can somehow record this show..? Of course, I'm going to be out of town without access to a computer on the day it's broadcasting... I'm just interested in knowing if there's a possibility that it'll be recorded. --INeedACrane 16:11, 28 Jun 2006 (MDT)

NPR keeps all those live shows archived; eventually you should be able to hear it here, so don't worry about missing it. — aliste

Awesome... thank you..!--INeedACrane 19:31, 28 Jun 2006 (MDT)

JL and the Statesmen[edit | edit source]

The Shows/John Linnell page should probably be linked to somewhere on this page. I'm just not sure where. ~ magbatz

Bowery Show Age Limit?[edit | edit source]

I don't know where the right place to put this is, but I am confused. At time of the concert I'm most likely going to (August 8th) it says 16+ on TicketWeb. In TMBG's recent email newsletter, it says 18+. I'm only gonna be 16 then...anyone know what the actual age limit is or who I can contact to find out? Thanks! WhatIsThatThing 19:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Bowery Ballroom says 16+ on their site and when you call them, so I'd say that's probably right. :) -CapitalQtalk ♪ 19:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Alright, thanks! Hopefully I'll be there then. WhatIsThatThing 20:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
EDIT: Just in case anyone 16 or 17 was in doubt, I emailed Operator Dot and got the response that the show (all Bowery shows for that matter) is indeed ages 16+. Good news for us! Hooray! The exact response: "They're all 16+." Good thing too, because I bought the tickets right before reading that message. -WhatIsThatThing 20:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Mod Club July 23, 2007?[edit | edit source]

I can't find any evidence of this show on the Mod Club site, and ticketmaster doesn't list anything for the date. Any evidence this show exists? — Tom 14:50, 1 June 2007

Clicking the 'Recent updates' link would show that it was found on the High Road Touring TMBG page. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 19:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

All ages shows[edit | edit source]

Okay so if it's an "all ages" show, they won't play all their kids stuff, right? Because I might be going to one, so... yeah. --Lemita 00:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Pretty sure these are just regular shows, without the cursing. None have been specifically tagged as kids shows yet. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 01:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. :) --Lemita 15:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

schedule conflicts[edit | edit source]

So, High Road Touring now lists the October 2 date as being in Ventura, CA, rather than Santa Cruz as claimed on Zoe Records. Which source should we trust? I'm more inclined to go with High Road since they are the booking company but I thought I'd bring up the question before changing anything. — aliste 17:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Definitely High Road and Theymightbegiants.com. There was also a conflict with October 3/4, Zoe had different venues than High Road and TMBG. Silly label. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 21:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Setlist question[edit | edit source]

How do most people post setlists? Do they actually remember the songs played? Do they take notes in some way? I was just wondering, I know I couldn't guarantee I'd remember every song in order that was played, but I'd like to make note of my upcoming show somehow and was wondering how others did it. -Joltman 12:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I've never been to a show but if i did go i'd take a piece of paper and a pen and write down the songs. -- Goodtimes2 Who's Not Logged In, I really need to log in

I had wondered the exact same thing. When I went to the show they had in my fair town of Rochester, NY, I tried what Goodtimes2 suggested. Here's a hint: don't use pencil. It was all I had on me, it was dark...and I couldn't read the garglemesh that I "wrote" afterwards. I was kinda pissed. You might want to bring a clipboard or some other such device too. Paper rips very easily, especially when your hand is the surface. Next time I go to a show (Aug. 8 Bowery) I plan to take these tips to heart. Ah well, you live and you learn. --WhatIsThatThing 14:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Commodore Ballroom Sept 25th[edit | edit source]

I may have the chance to go see Them when they go to Vancouver. But when I check the website for the venue (the commodore ballroom), they is no mention of They Might Be Giants at all. I'd figure I'd see if anyone can verify this before I run out to buy a plane ticket. Thanks. --Jade 02:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://www.theymightbegiants.com/v2/index.php -CapitalQtalk ♪ 02:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
yeah, I've seen that. But, let's say for example I live on the complete opposite side of the country, and I wanted to buy tickets, or atleast find out the age limit... is it a little strange that there is no mention of it on the website of the venue?--Jade 02:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC) I'm hopiong there are some wikians from vancouver that might be able to help me...
You'd have to call and ask, the phone number is on their site. [1] :) -CapitalQtalk ♪ 02:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
smexcellent, will do. Sorry for being kind of obnoxious, but this will be my first show ever, and I want it to go smoothly.--Jade 03:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it?[edit | edit source]

Whats the point of a show with all of their childrens stuff but its 16+? --Goodtimes2

Well, there's themes, and I guess they chose childrens stuff as one of them. And it looks like all of their Bowery shows are restricted to ages 16 and up. ~ magbatz 05:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

NC Shows[edit | edit source]

does anyone have any info on the NC show as to ages, and when i look at the Durham Event website i don't see the show? Please someone help! --Goodtimes2

The show isn't scheduled for over two months. But even if the definite info isn't out, a good indicator would be the policy each venue has for what ages they allow. And by the way, you Carolinians are real lucky-- four freaking shows! ~ magbatz 15:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Tickets for the show in Durham are on sale now, and the site says ages 14+: http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?organ_val=21118&schedule=list --Jokah 15:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppenheimer Opening 20+ Shows[edit | edit source]

http://www.myspace.com/oppenheimer somebody add it

October 18[edit | edit source]

Hello Wiki Folks!

Tickets for the October 18 show at Toad's Place in New Haven http://www.toadsplace.com/calendar.htm have been showing as available on their website for nearly a week and they finally seem to be selling them online. This seems to be the sort of information that is normally included on this page so here's a heads up if you wanted to add it. http://www.etix.com/ticket/servlet/onlineSale?action=selectPerformance&performance_id=636228

Hey thanks! I added the link to the page. Akagi 22:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Shows future and past (does the wiki know what day it is?)[edit | edit source]

The Baltimore show was last night but it's still showing as "upcoming". Often in the past, shows seemed to instantaneously switch sections once they were past. I even cleared out my cache in case it was an older page version that was displaying.

Does this have to be done manually, or is it automated (by the wiki having "now" encoded and the show date being a date/time stamp that dictates where it gets displayed)?

Just curious! Computereze...

We do that manually; sometimes people are lazy. :] Check the page history to see when the changes are made. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 17:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, CapQ.

sHOWs NON US - Are TMBG coming back to the UK?[edit | edit source]

Hi all,

We UK nutballs are waiting for UK dates....none since 2005 and that worries me....were they put off by the idiots in Camden who threw plastic bottles?

We miss you....and were going to follow you around the UK......WHAT IS GOING ON......

The only thing "going on" is that TMBG hasn't announced tour dates in the UK for a while. Keep in mind that ol' Supreme Giants are an American band, and naturally, there are more fans of Them in America. I'm sure they'll be back in Europe eventually. Patience. --WhatIsThatThing 20:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
The pound is really strong against the dollar right now, so it's probably relatively cheap for you to make a trip over here, if you want to check them out! --Duke33 19:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Baltimore 10/12?[edit | edit source]

So what's with this Baltimore show on 10/12? It mysteriously showed up on the theymightbegiants.com show download page, but I never saw it listed anywhere beforehand. Does anyone know anything about this show? Venue? Private show? Should we add it to the recent shows list? — aliste 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The songs in this download are the same (and in the same order) as those for the 9/12/07 show in Baltimore. I'm thinking it might be an error and should be September not October on their site. Just a guess. --KathyK 20:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, nice catch. In fact I just noticed if you go to the product page it actually does say Sept 12, it's just on the main download page that the date is wrong. — aliste 21:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Kind of like how 8/8 and 7/25 are both listed as being from '08. Dan Miller, you rascal! --Oddjob 14:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Heh, maybe he's come unstuck in time. — aliste 00:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Show start times[edit | edit source]

Does anyone have a good rule of thumb for figuring out what time TMBG will actually appear on stage? The opening act will generally start somewhat close to the published start time, right? If the published start time is 9, can I assume TMBG won't be on any earlier than 10? 11?


Length of Shows 2007 tour[edit | edit source]

any idea how long shows are lasting on this tour (Autumn 2007?)

I am going to show in Pittsburgh next week, and have babysitter only until 11PM! (show starts at 8 with opening act, oy)

Can the sarcastic comments, just the facts please.

Appreciate it.

"Recent" shows?[edit | edit source]

I don't think the second heading for this page should be called recent. It's the end of 2007, and shows from February don't count in my book as "recent." Perhaps it should be renamed to "shows this year" or "past shows" or something more concise that doesn't carry the connotations of "just happened." Thoughts? Also, on an unrelated note, anyone want to fill in the pages for October 30th, November 3rd, and December 1st? I am annoyed and saddened by their collective emptiness. --WhatIsThatThing 03:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey Mr. DJ?[edit | edit source]

I heard/read somewhere that they will be playing Hey Mr. DJ at the Beacon Theatre show today for the very first time. Can anyone support this? -- SGWAF

This was mentioned in a MySpace bulletin from this week; it is true. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 17:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Downloadable Shows Question[edit | edit source]

Are the downloadable shows one big mp3 or a bunch of mp3s, one for each song? Just a question, thanks. :) --Lemita 01:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Each song is it's own mp3. They're nice enough to track for us. :b --Luke 01:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Americana & Mucky Duck shows[edit | edit source]

I'm not sure what happened, but it looks like the Rounder and Zoe pages had some bad info on upcoming dates. Just to confirm, TMBG will NOT be playing either of those shows in the next week...the shows page should be completely up-to-date now. --Duke33 12:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

2008 NYC Stand[edit | edit source]

So according to the new podcast, TMBG are planning a NYC stand in the fall? I can't WAIT!!! --Oddjob 17:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, I noticed on the "shows" page 4 gigs scheduled at (Le) Poisson Rouge... however the shows aren't listed on the Poisson Rouge website or pollstar.com. Where did you all hear about the shows? And for those who are listed as attending, did you somehow get tickets already? I need to know!!! --Oddjob 23:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
The shows came from Dan Levine's MySpace page, and at least the September one was listed on one of the sites that is given at the top of the Shows page. I think those of us listed as attending are merely planning on purchasing tickets ASAP when they come out, but know we'll most likely be attending. --MichelleMaBelle 00:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

2008/2009 Tour to Australia?[edit | edit source]

Hello!

I love TMBG!

Would it be possible for a tour to Sydney, Australia to be done?

Like within the next 2 years?

I can't go to the ones in America (in fact, I've never been to the US)

So please come to me :P

Thanks in advance!

--Panarchy 05:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

December 13th show[edit | edit source]

When will the tickets be up for the Worcester Polytech show? I'm getting kind of antsy.

No idea. I'm not sure if it's a student-only thing, or what. Your best bet would be to call the venue, and see if they have any more info. --Duke33 03:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, man. I'll try that.
For anyone else that is interested -- here's more info on the tickets--Duke33 19:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Beaumont?[edit | edit source]

According to the website, TMBG aren't performing at all, in fact, there is a completely different act listed for that day. It's very disappointing to see this false information reported on the site. --Tedadore2 02:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

That's what tmbg.com is reporting. --Duke33 02:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, very interesting...--Tedadore2 02:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I am pretty sure they just booked the Beaumont show since they were trolling for venue suggestions in Kansas City on Facebook just three weeks ago. So the venue probably just hasn't updated their site yet. As for the other show they have listed for that night, the Beaumont actually has two sites, the indoor Beaumont Club (where TMBG will be playing) and the outdoor/patio Back Yard at the Beaumont where the other act is playing. Hope that helps. Wish I was going.--BlueCanary 04:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, I intern at their PR company and I try to make sure all the dates on here are ones we've sent out in mailings or have in our database. I was actually writing a blurb about these dates the same day they got put up. They're real. --MichelleMaBelle 15:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Conference Appearance[edit | edit source]

Not sure if this is worth listing in upcoming shows but according to this website - http://email.exacttarget.com/connections09/Events.aspx They will be playing at a marketing conference in October. Doubtful that anyone here will get to attend since tickets are over $600 but it should probably be noted somewhere for the sake of record keeping. Opinions? --BlueCanary 21:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Age Limit Specification[edit | edit source]

There has been a second show announced for Raleigh that the NC Museum listed as a Adult show. It also says that 6 and under get in free with an adult! this sorta confuses me. I know this is awhile a way but this show is about the closest (Unless coming to Southwest NC) i will get this year to seeing TMBG. I just want to make sure I can go. --GT2

Just means it's not a kids' show; expect Damn Good Times and evil creepy music and the like. Hope it all works and you can go!

Issue with Show Attendance[edit | edit source]

This might just be me and feel free to delete this if it is, but there seems to be an issue with the show attendance feature. When I click on the click "here" to add yourself to this show button it takes me to a page that says 0 wikians are attending the show even on shows that have people already marked as attending on the main show page. It also says that I have to be logged in to mark myself as attending but I am logged in. I've tried logging out and logging in again. I've tried using a different computer. I've tried several different shows and I had my boyfriend try on his account and it did the same thing. The feature seems to be broken. Are others having the same problem or is it just us? And either way, can it be fixed? Help please and thank you! --BlueCanary 06:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it's my bad. I've enabled some caching on the site to help performance, and it looks like it's messing with this functionality. I'll get it fixed. Thanks for the heads up. --Duke33 12:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
OK - I've put some stuff in there to try to avoid caching of these pages. Can you all try to add/remove yourself from shows, and let me know if it's successful, or if there's a problem?--Duke33 01:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Successfully added myself to two different shows. Works for me! --BlueCanary 05:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I added and removed myself from five different shows. No problem here. :) ~ blitzente (talk) 05:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Ithaca Show[edit | edit source]

According to The Ithaca Journal, TMBG is supposed to play The State Theatre on October 1st...I haven't put it on the shows page yet though, because we don't have any other verification. --Duke33 12:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and add it in if that's ok, because it's now listed on that theaters website and tickets go on sale July 10th. --BlueCanary 17:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Mermaid Parade[edit | edit source]

I know we took the Coney Island Mermaid Parade date out of the shows list after Zoe took it off their list but... since Flansburgh confirmed at the last LPR show that TMBG are in fact going to be the kings of the Mermaid Parade and will be performing on a float should we add it back in? --BlueCanary 17:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You know, normally I'd say that the band itself is the best source of information, and I'm tempted to do so here. But, Flansy isn't always the most reliable source of information, so I'm not sure. And a Google search yielded nothing. Though it's very soon so you'd think Flans would know his schedule for the next few weeks. Maybe we should put it back just in case? If people go to the parade they should still have fun even if TMBG ends up not actually being there. --MichelleMaBelle 18:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Wonderful idea I just had: Put any cultural or charitable events (or shows your small band is playing) that are going on and put them on the TMBG shows page... we'd be trafficking the unknowing anonymous internetters to any place we'd like them to go. Think of the power! ~ magbatz 23:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Not exactly what I was thinking, but thank you for the reality check. --MichelleMaBelle 23:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I wasn't trying to be snarky-- though it's a tricky call, I'd probably put up the show. While I'm not usually for possibly inaccurate information, in this case if we're wrong, it's not so dishonorable; we'd still be as knowledgeable as Flansburgh on the subject. ~ magbatz 00:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Just an update, I did finally find some confirmation from an outside the band source that they will be playing. It didn't specify if it was as part of the parade or afterwards or what but it seems pretty definite that they will be there in some fashion. --BlueCanary
And in rapid fashion I just found confirmation that they will definitely be on a float in the parade. Boy I wish I could go. --BlueCanary

July 4th Aspen Show?[edit | edit source]

Wow, TMBG in my home state! Now I don't have to invent increasingly labored excuses to go to them. Ahem...

I notice on the site for the Belly Up a different act is mentioned. Any truth to this? I went ahead and e-mailed the venue. Also, since they're recording an episode of Studio 360 at this show, Can anybody tell my what I can expect? It's still about a 3 hour drive for me. --Homestar Golfer 07:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Ticket Links[edit | edit source]

Ok, my wiki account is still broken and wont let me log in on my computer (it's something to do with the captchas but I can't figure out how to fix it) so I can't edit show info. Can someone please go in and add the ticket links for both Egg shows (Friday: https://tickets.theegg.org/TheatreManager/1/login&performance=1277 and Saturday: https://tickets.theegg.org/TheatreManager/1/login&performance=1279), The Barrymore in Madison (http://www.barrymorelive.com/tickets/910111.html), both shows at the Vic in Chicago (Kids: http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/040042D3C3143551?artistid=736288&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60 and Adult: http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/040042D3C336355A?artistid=736288&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60) and The Vogue in Indianapolis (http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/050042CCEF3C8CED?artistid=736288&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60) as they are all on sale now? And Mr. Small's goes on sale Saturday. Thanks so much. BlueCanary

Flood Shows[edit | edit source]

Anyone got an accurate reference for which shows are actually flood shows? I see Detroit is listed here as one, but I really don't see any other reference on official sites to back that up.

The info I got from the band indicated as such. What does facebook show? --Duke33 20:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Facebook says no. You know, I distinctly remember seeing that Detroit was a Flood show somewhere but I can't find that info on any site now. Maybe it was a mistake and it got taken down? Their MySpace and Facebook pages seems to have the most accurate listing of which shows are Flood and which ones aren't at the moment and they both say no, but there have been a lot of minor discrepancies between the different official sites. Hard to say. I can tell ya after the show but that probably doesn't help. --BlueCanary 20:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Albany is a Flood show. It was mentioned on The Egg's Facebook fan page, and in one of the TMBG newsletters. Not exactly sure about the newsletter, but I heard it about it somewhere else other than Facebook. About the others, I'm not sure. -- Jason DeLima - ! - 21:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I'd refer to the latest from the Mailing List Archive-- each Flood show and family show is specially noted. Allegedly. ~ magbatz 21:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

pacific northwest date confusion[edit | edit source]

TMBG is coming to Portland and Seattle on either the 9th and 10th or the 10th and 11th, depending on where you go. Their recent newsletter said the latter, but their myspace as well as this place that they link to to announce new shows says the former. I went with the dates that had two recent sources in my recent edit, but in order to avoid an edit war I'm posting on the discussion page. What should we do? --SMB 06:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The venue won't have gotten it wrong. One of those cities' venues' sites should verify something. ~ magbatz 09:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I tried that but neither of the venues has updated there calendars to include the shows yet. I think we'll just have to wait a few days until they do. --BlueCanary 10:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

TBA?[edit | edit source]

Back again with yet another question. The Visulite's website says TBA, but i can't figure out what is to be announced. Its not age (14+) Its not the time (Doors at 8:00, TMBG @ 9:45) and it can't be the date (Mar 10) Unless its the opening act, i have no clue. Anyone care to enlighten me? -Goodtimes2

Based on some of the other event listings for that venue, I'd say the TBA refers to the opening act. It appears on the TMBG event page in the same spot where other events have the name and info on the opener. --BlueCanary 03:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I figured that was probably it. Well, heres hoping to a good opening act. -Goodtimes2
I'll second that! --BlueCanary 18:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Previous/next show[edit | edit source]

How about a previous show/next show button on each show page? Would make it easier to browse through reviews and setlists quickly. Wout 23:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Nashville March 7, 2010[edit | edit source]

Does anyone happen to have a couple spare tickets to this show? I'm desperate and they seem to have sold-out. I know I'm grabbing at straws here trying but thought it was worth a shot. pinecones 22:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit Button Issue[edit | edit source]

Would it be possible to fix the template for the individual show pages so that the text written in the Fan Recaps and Comments doesn't overlay the "Edit" button for that section? I don't know if it is unique to my browser or not but it happens on most show pages where the comments extend further down the page than the setlist. This show would be an example. I'm using Safari on a Mac with the wiki set in Azure if that makes a difference. It's not a big deal; it's just been bugging me. --BlueCanary 06:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't broken on my browsers, but i hid the "edit" buttons, since they weren't really needed on that page. --Duke33 12:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
That works. Thanks! --BlueCanary 18:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

German Tour Poster[edit | edit source]

Check out this poster i found on ebay: File:1989 European Tour Poster.jpg

At first i thought it was maybe from 1989, but it's possible that it is 1994.

Here's what the (Americanized) dates, cities, and venues look like to me:

  • 5/3: Oberhausen: Old Daddy (?)
  • 5/4: Koln: ?
  • 5/6: Berlin: Schtasy (?)
  • 5/7: Braunschweig? : 182 BugerPark?
  • 5/8: Kassel: ?
  • 5/10: Munchen: ?
  • 5/13: Stuttgart: Roehre
  • 5/14: Nurnberg: Zabounde?
  • 5/15: Mannheim: Hard Rock Club
  • 5/16: Frankfurt: ?
  • 5/17: Dortmund: Live Station
  • 5/19: Hamburg: Logo
  • 5/20: Bremen: ?
  • 5/21: ?: ?
  • 5/22: Munster: Odeon

Anyone got any ideas what the heck this is from? Neither one really seems to match up with the dates we have. If i am reading them correctly as "5" (May), then the only year that it could be, would be from 1993. Does anyone know anything more about this??? --Duke33 20:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Life Is Good[edit | edit source]

TMBG have just been confirmed for the Life is Good festival in Canton, MA in September, but it hasn't been announced on which day they are appearing. It's either the 11th or the 12th. We can add it to the list once the day is announced/discovered. Mostly just putting this here to remind myself. --BlueCanary 04:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

The Cupcake Corral[edit | edit source]

So the Johns (and Marty) totally played a private show (in someone's backyard I might add) to celebrate the opening of a bakery called The Cupcake Corral in Maplewood, NJ last Saturday. Talk about random. I don't know that it is worth trying to list it in the shows since I don't know all the details but I thought I'd share. Look, here's a picture.--BlueCanary 04:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DUDE WHAT. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN AND WHERE DO I SIGN UP. But uh, that doesn't sound shows page worthy to me. --Self Called Nowhere 15:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)