Talk:Self-Reference

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Is there a reason no one's added "Can't Keep Johnny Down"?

I see what you mean, but TMBG said "...“Johnny” isn’t us, although we do share a name with him."-- Buzzmusic100 ("Keep your voice down...")


I'm not sure about "The Long Grift". Not only was it written by someone other than TMBG, I believe "John" in this context means something else.

From dictionary.com, a john is someone "who is a prostitute's customer"


Re The Guitar: "Is it Jim? I don't know" Refers to NASA calling TMBG Jim and Jim

Is there some evidence that a) NASA called TMBG Jim and Jim, and b) this inspired the line in the song? The only accidental reference to the Johns as "Jim and Jim" that I can find is the article in New Routes magazine talking about their participation in International Space Year. Am I missing something? --Octoflange 04:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, on the Direct From Brooklyn commentary track for the song, They say the drummer on the video's name is jim. I don't know if that was just a joke or what. But that was said. -- DidgeGuy (आ ज) 03:20, 21 November 2010
Possibly Jim Thomas, who played drums on "She's Actual Size," according to the Apollo 18 liner notes? (He's also credited with "technical assistance.") --Octoflange 16:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

re: johnny[edit | edit source]

"In a way, the song is a joke in the way that both of our names our John. That wasn’t a mistake." -Apollo (colloquia!) 09:10, 6 March 2012 (EST)

That's a really oblique and subtle self-reference, though, given the Johns' other very clear statements. But I won't argue the point any further. -- CJSF (talk) 14:23, 4 September 2013 (EDT)
i don't really see what's oblique about john linnell saying that making the character have the same name as him was a deliberate move! but okay. -Apollo (colloquia!) 14:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

Mono Puff[edit | edit source]

There are a couple of Mono Puff songs that reference the name of that band: "Distant Antenna" and "Dedicated". Shall I create a separate section for those tunes since they're not strictly TMBG references? --MisterMe (talk) 08:12, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Drink![edit | edit source]

I'm not so sure if this counts or if people would agree, which is why I'm saying this here and not just editing the page, but would Drink! count as a song mentioning itself? I'm thinking of the line "But what words rhyme with 'buried alive'?", since it's asking for a rhyme to add to the lyrics of the song the narrator is presumably writing. Again, not sure how many people are with me on this, so I thought I'd check in here before doing anything drastic. --Nooneknowsmyplan (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2016 (EST)