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Wikipedia[edit]

I noticed a little while ago that Their article on Wikipedia is no longer considered "good". The reason for this is a lack of references. While scanning the article, I noticed quite a few errors in the discography section. Looking over its talk page showed me why: Nobody there knows all that much about Them. There was actually a debate over just which releases are the 11 studio albums. The consensus was that Long Tall Weekend and Here Come the ABCs were not in that list, but that STD was. Needless to say, I was floored. There is an entire category on Wikipedia for They Might Be Giants and, frankly, most of them could use work. Very few of them are stubs. Most of them are inaccurate or vague. This looks like a job for...US! What does everyone say? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 03:46, 23 Feb 2006 (CST)

It's pretty much been cleaned up, Now it just needs a bibliography. Help on this part would be especially appreciated. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 21:24, 26 Feb 2006 (CST)
Not to revive a sorta old issue, but I've been adding infoboxes to any album or EP page I find that doesn't have one. So, HOORAY! Melchior 16:12, 16 Mar 2006 (CST)

Main Page Help?[edit]

How come the edit is gone on the main page? I had an article I wanted to post, but I can't seem to do so... --Sir_Zman

Click Add a news item on the bottom of the main page. -CapitalQ 15:26, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

Odd how its different from every other page...oh well, thanks for the info... --Sir_Zman

The Main Page has been "protected". I'm guessing so that it won't get any spam or vandalism. Whenever I visit a wiki for the first time and the first thing I see is spam, I know that there's either littlre interest in that particular wiki, that nobody cares about it enough to clean it up, or that there's hardly anybody active on it, that it's basicaly "dead" and what's the point of trying to join a dead community? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 15:11, 6 Feb 2006 (CST)

Pics from NYE[edit]

I saw on the newsgroup that Mizary has pics up at http://www.elvis77.com/tmbg2005nye/. I have some at my website too, http://www.jwoltman.net/news.php?extend.86 .

Nice pics, thanks! I especially love the Auld Lang Syne video. I've added a link to your page to the wiki page for this show—feel free to edit/emend/remove as you like, of course. — aliste

Why is it that you guys don't care about giving away audio that's for sale at the official store? It seems like if there's video attached to it, that makes it okay?? Is your justification that it's lower quality... ?-TDK 21:49, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)

Can you buy a fan-made video of TMBG performing there? ;) -Ecks
If someone official doesn't want it online, they can tell me. I uploaded it for my friends who were at the show with me. - repugnant

New Song Category[edit]

I have an idea for a new song category, how do I go about creating it? -Martorano

The category would be for songs written by one of the Johns yet sung by the other. For example, "The World's Address" (written by Linnell/sung by Flans) and "Man It's So Loud In Here" (written by Flans/sung by Linnell).

Really? "Man, It's So Loud In Here" was written by Flans? Well, if you can think of a bit more than 2 songs that fit that description, just find the template (the link's on the main page somewhere), fill in the songs on that, and then add the song theme (manually) to each song page. -Magbatz

Well, in Gigantic, the demo that Flans plays is him singing it (besides saying that no other band member had heard the demo before). -Ecks
Actually, the band had just not yet heard the final (dance) mix of the song, which is what's on Mink Car. It's not a demo, and it's not Flansburgh singing it. I'm not sure why you thought it was. -TDK 08:52, 15 Feb 2006 (CST)
Spiffy. To whoever came up with this idea, there's also Subliminal (Flansy wrote the words, and then JL came up with the music and ending up doing the vocals) and Rat Patrol (Flans sings on the demo, but Linnell sings on the album) if you still want to do that page. -Magbatz

I guess I should log in before I post a wonderful new idea. Anyway, what should I call the new category, any suggestions? -Martorano

Sorry it took so long, but I added a new category called "Swapped Vocals". -Martorano

Two things about TV appearances[edit]

First, if anyone knows a lot of them please make a page for them.

second, if anyone has any videos or mp3's of TV appearances please post them here. I, for one really want to see the they'll nedd A Crane performance which i think was on Letterman. Anyways, please help!

Videos. Though, there are some missing, such as Boss Of Me and Your Racist Friend and She's Actual Size. Man, It's So Loud In Here has an MP3 of a very good performance on Conan. -Ecks

I have Birdhouse in Your Soul and Istanbul (Not Constantinople) from The Tonight Show from around '90-'91 and Your Racist Friend from Late Night with David Letterman from the same year but no video capture card. Should I bother to find a way to digitize them?
It souldn't be too hard to get just the audio.
I'm on it then (it's mono :( ). I also MAY still have an MTV performance of "Why Does the Sun Shine?" but thus far have not been able to find it. After this and the Exquisite Dead Guy demo I don't have any other rare (?) stuff.
New files--OdiamosTMBG 18:20, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
The Tonight Show:
The_Tonight_Show_1990_01_Birdhouse_in_Your_Soul.mp3 Birdhouse in Your Soul
The_Tonight_Show_1990_02_TMBG_Interview.mp3 TMBG Interview
The_Tonight_Show_1990_03_Istanbul_(Not_Constantinople).mp3 Istanbul (Not Constantinople)
Late Night:
Late_Night_1990_01_Your_Racist_Friend.mp3 Your Racist Friend

There are a bunch of TV appearances here. There are still some missing though like They'll need a crane from Letterman and probbably others. By the way, if anyone knows how to make realplayer videos into windows media player ones please do on the ones on that page. Some of them are in windows media but not all and wenevr i try to look at ones in real it just sits there and wen i klik play it just does nothing. if anyone can help in anyway please do. i really wanna watch sum of these videos.

I know nothing about They Might Be Giants[edit]

Can someone explain that logo to me?

That guy is William Allen White - Artnchicken
The logo also pays homage to the MediaWiki logo. The double square brackets are used in WikiCode to make a link. See http://www.mediawiki.org/ for more information. - Scott Redd

Li'l Help?[edit]

Hey,

Cool site, I run a wiki too at: http://www.wikiguitar.net

I am really trying to get the thing off the ground and I wondering if anyone wants to help...But more specifically the tabs on this site would be extremely helpful! Is there anyone who would have a problem with me adding the tabs from here...to my site?

Just let me know. Danielecook@gmail.com

It's a wiki, of course you can. Everything on here is licensed via the GFDL (Gnu Free Documentation License), and is free to take as long as appropriate credit is given. Actually, if anything on here isn't GFDL/fair use it's got to go, because we could get our asses sued off otherwise. Now if TMBG gave this site their blessing like The Brothers Chaps did with HRWiki.... I think you get my point. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 04:33, 8 Dec 2005 (EST) LEGAL EDIT: No it's not. It's licensed with CCby-nc-sa2.5 And I was the one who wrote the Project:Copyrights page. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 22:34, 30 Mar 2006 (CST)

Attention: Everybody Whose Username Begins with a Lowercase Letter![edit]

All of you will no longer have access to your user accounts after the upgrade is complete. There is a bug in MediaWiki 1.5 which allows usernames to only begin with a capital letter. I have seen this happen at HRWiki. Look here to see what we had to do to fix it. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 15:04, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)

I had reviewed that HRWiki page on Tom's suggestion, and I didn't really see any userids that would be affected in our user-list. If they show up with a upper-case letter in the user list, I would assume they are ok, then, correct? --Duke33 15:15, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)
Yep. Watchlists should be reset, too. And some users might have a tough time getting their user talk pages off of their watchlist, and consequently, getting the "you have new messages" box to go away. I kind of figured you admins knew about this, so this particular notice was mostly posted for the forewarning of everyone else. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 18:00, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)

Ahhh, the wiki's down![edit]

Ahhh the wiki's going down intermittently! What's going on? I got this just a little bit (maybe 45 minutes) ago.

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'tmbwnet_wikidb:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)"

What's going on? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 05:17, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Yes, I frequently find the site down in the late night/early morning hours. It was down a few nights ago as well.
We're working on it...it's not just our site, it's our hosting provider, and it's affecting all of the sites that they host. We hope to have it resolved soon. --Duke33 11:26, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)
Okay, good to know. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 14:39, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Podcast[edit]

The podcast is supposedly out. Where does one sign up for this? --BlarJotunn

The url is on the mainpage (at least for signing up through itunes). Ok, so we had someone throw together a page for the first podcast. Does someone want to take a stab at cleaning it up, and coming up with a podcast template? Also, i would assume that we would create pages for all the songs within the podcast. (by the way - i haven't downloaded it and listened yet...) --Duke33 10:52, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)
I'll tackle it with the Songs template too, I suppose. -Ecks
Lyrics template, you mean? --Duke33 11:12, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Bastard Video[edit]

Is it just me, or is this a really great video? I watched it 3 times in a row! The art is creative, it's edited on the beat of the song perfectly, and it's kind of funny. Thoughts?

Yeah, it's a great video, but I must say, it looks much better on a TV. The DVD to Flash conversion process sure can take a chunk out of the quality. -CapitalQ

TV Appearances[edit]

I think it would be a pretty cool idea if someone could make up a page of all of They Might Be Giants' TV aapearances. So, if anyone knows a lot of their TV appearances please make this page.

Bemanistyle Error "Topic does not exist"[edit]

If you log in to at Bemanistyle.com and you recieve an error saying "The topic or post you requested does not exist" then just go back to tmbw.net and click the link again. They seem to be having troubles with cookies. --Droffats 16:51, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)


Is there anyway to see the entire list of TMBG songs rated by TMBW and how they fall in the lineup?

http://tmbw.net/votes/favorite_songs_query.php3 - Ecks


=donkeysWhy isn't there any entry on "Two Plus Three Equals One"? It's the only song where Flansy's ever shown off his mad rapping skeels...

Too Plus 3 R One. Search just doesn't like that song. - Ecks

I guess no ideas to put this interview then?

-try Archived Radio Appearances -Badqueso 22:34, 30 May 2005 (EDT)

Ok thats a good idea i admit. However it only streamed for 7 days but i have the interview. So i can't put a link as i don't have a link to put it to anymore


Where can you find "Power Of Dial-A-Song"? is it a CD?--Pnihill2000 18:43, 10 Jun 2005

What is the deal with this? A list of songs and this album is listed on this site, but no one seems to have them or be willing to share if they do.  :-(

-It is a bootleg of old Dial-A-Song recordings. I have it and I'll give you a copy if you like. -BlarJotunn

- BlarJotunn, I have a lot of the songs you're looking for and I'm very, VERY interested in getting the old Dial-A-Song recordings! E-mail me: noveus@hotmail.com

sure! How will you send it? Will you send it online, or do I have to buy a CD from you? email me at pnihill2000@yahoo.com

-thanks



Whats the story on "88 Lines about 44 Women" and "I be an Reatarted" Why arn't they on any TMBG albums? Whats the story on this?--Pnihill2000 18:43, 10 Jun 2005

Uh...the story is that those songs aren't TMBG songs. — aliste
Check out Songs Incorrectly Attributed To TMBG --Duke33 21:04, 3 Jun 2005 (EDT)

-ah ok thanks.



Does anyone know if that Clarissa Explains it all Flood Wall Fixture thing ever existed? Or did they just make it for the show? Because I was always envious of that....



Someone needs to make a They Day Page.

Some of the lyrics pages look funny, with <p> tags appearing in them somehow (see Boss Of Me for an example). And the spacing given with <br> looks kind of silly in the current style sheet.

I was going to fix it, but then I realized we may want to talk about it first. Perhaps this time around we can agree on what a lyrics page is supposed to look like? I've always thought the <pre> enclosed pages looked silly for lyrics, and they look even sillier now, with the dotted border around them. Thoughts? --Veloso

Why not use <p> tags with a class of "lyrics"? Then you can edit now and worry later with the magic of CSS.

I noticed that the news about the TMBG Radio tribute was posted on the 22nd, but marked as being for the 21st. SO, is that radio show at 10pm going on on the 23rd, or the 22nd?

I'd think that it would be on the 22nd, as the schedule page on kxua says that there's a special artist feature every Wednesday.

The stuff they're playing right now is awful. Dozen-minute songs of slow-paced melodically disgusting humming and whistling is hardly something I'd want to listen to.

Oh, and I guess this is Arkansas time?

---

Is there any /dev/null to move pages to? I know administrators can delete, but I'm guessing there's no way for users to? Because the old Recent Changes is still there with abandoned text. User:Random

Dial-A-Song's revival?[edit]

I was just listening to the TMBG Clock Radio and just surfin' when I caught the end of an announcement about listening tgo your favorite TMBG songs on your cell phone. I can only assume this means Dial-A-Song is coming back. They also said it coming very soon. The clock radio has been known to repeat old announcements, so I don't know what this means. Anyone else have any information? I'll keep an ear out for the announcement to repeat. --User:Droffats

Instruments?[edit]

what instruments (like brand) do each member play, im a drummer and want to know what kind of drums marty and/or dan used. - cyclopswithbangs

Check the liner notes. I know they gave special thanks to several companies, like Yamaha, in Here Come the ABCs (at least). - Ecks

Nope...sorry[edit]

Sorry Random...there's nothing you can really do to delete it. What i might suggest however, is tag the page with a category of "To be deleted" or something, and then drop the admins a line, if you come across something like this in the future. -- Duke33

I thought this would fit best here. Anyone know why there are these Chinese links each time I visit a song page like... James K. Polk (Dial-A-Song Anthology Version)? - Blitz


I'm not exactly sure where to put this, but on the song ratings page, shouldn't it just be limited to bona-fide TMBG songs? It's kinda wierd to have the State Songs up there with Birdhouse and the like. - Drumstick

A Mediawiki trick[edit]

The best way to sign comments in talk pages, etc, is by typing four tilde characters (~) in a row. These are replaced with a wiki-link to your talk page, and a timestamp of when you made the change. See? Veloso 11:40, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

True And Amazing Lyrics Documented[edit]

I recorded an episode of The Travel Channel show, Amazing Vacation Homes, just to get the theme music. It's pretty good.

Lyrics:True And Amazing - True And Amazing - Mmnatas 16:50, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)

Venue Songs Theme vs. Venue Songs Album[edit]

I started trying to fix this ambiguity to add a Venue Songs album but chickened out. I'm not quite sure what the best way to handle this is, so I'm leaving it to those with more wiki mojo. Veloso 14:33, 10 Dec 2004 (EST)

Geekier Instruments[edit]

Has anyone ever considered having a page for piano/accordion chords/tabs intstead of just the usual guitar and bass?


I'm not sure that that would work. That would be sheet music which can't be put up as text as far as I know. To upload files would be troublesome, I don't think there is any standard filetype. Some sheet music can be obtained through midi files, which are readily available on the internet. They tend to be roughly made, but piano/accordion parts can easily be extracted from them. -Augie 22:08, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)


We could just right the keys. Like A A A B G G G A, or something like that. I'm not sure, but I think we could make it work


I don't think so. Maybe if there was a link to download a midi file on the main song pages. The problem is, the music would only be accesible to people with the right software. We could also upload images of sheet music, but that would not be editable. -Augie 19:05, 20 Jan 2005 (EST)

Um, I don't think a separate page for piano chords is necessary. To tell the truth, our "Guitar Tabs" page is a heinous lie. There's maybe 10 actual guitar tablatures in that section. The rest are chord progressions, which are useful for any instrument. Rarely will you find extensive sheet music on a given band, without it either being the product of one prolific (and lifeless) devotee or a blatant copyright infringement of published material. And, as any musician who's looked for TMBG before knows, this barely exists for Them. For most people with halfway decent chops, most melodies included in a given song can be figured out using the chords as your starting point. -Charlie June 14, 2005

Dial A Song[edit]

Has anybody else noticed that Dial A Song has been down for at least a month? What's up with that?


You know the motto...

"Always busy, often broken."

R3D 13:44, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Shows a song has been played at[edit]

How about a new page on each song page that lists each show the song has been played at? For example the TLA venue song would link to the TLA show in 2004 and 2006, etc. It would be handy to see how rarely a song is played live and the last time they played it. Just a thought.

Click "What links here" on the bottom left of any song page. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 19:07, 20 Jun 2006 (MDT)

News RSS?[edit]

I think it'd be nice to have the Current Events available as an RSS feed, too. Would this be a good idea? -Ecks

Sounds like a good idea to me. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 21:31, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)

Any idea on how to do that? I don't know if there is a way in mediawiki to create an RSS feed for a single page. If someone can find out, let me know.--Duke33 22:06, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
Here. I dunno, good information is strangely scarce. -Ecks
According to meta (a treasure trove of mediawiki info), there's no way to do it for a single page, at least for right now. If this is something we're really interested in, I could probably create one using PHP though. --Duke33 09:19, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
Try this - [1] . Please let me know how it looks...This is just a first stab, so if it's not working, i'm not surprised! --Duke33 23:04, 2 Feb 2006 (EST)
Well, I don't have Firefox with me, but on Google's personalized home page, all of the titles came up as "Current Events". So while it worked, I vote to tweak it so that it shows some of the news. -Ecks

Ok, I have two solutions for you guys. First is Wotzwot. With Wotzwow, you point them to a webpage and pick out unique strings from the HTML source to mark where RSS items start and end. I played with it for a little while and came up with this. The genereator split up the items fine, but it did not detect the Titles from the Desctiption. Which makes for ugly RSS in the aggregator. So I did a little more searching and found a program called RSS Wizard. Which does the exact same thing as Wotzwot except it allows you to choose strings for the Title. The drawback though is you have to schedule the program to generate the RSS instead of it constantly updating online like Wotzwot. But RSS Wizard does have an option to upload the generated RSS file to an FTP server. Hope this helps you guys. Edit: I found another program that, with a quick glance, looks like RSS Wizard. Auto HTML-RSS Update --Droffats 14:51, 25 Apr 2006 (CDT)

What about RSSPECT? --Salt-Man Z 12:04, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

I was listening to the latest FLOSS weekly (at twit.tv) and they had Jimmy Wales (Founder of Wikipedia) on. He talked about WikiNews for a little and some of the problems they have with RSS not being part of the MediaWiki code (which this is based on). What he said they do is do RSS through FeedBurner.com. Not sure on the details, but that's how another MediaWiki site does RSS. -Briguyd 23:39, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

Fan-made videos[edit]

Moved to Talk:Videos.

THE POWER OF DIAL-A-SONG Compilations[edit]

Hello, everyone. Who has these infamous compilations?? I want them so bad, my head just might explode with envy right now! I was e-mailing someone on this site a while back who had them. I'll do ANYTHING. Thanks for any and all help. noveus@hotmail.com

I REALLY want these as well! Someone please send me some info or something at theillmasta@gmail.com -Ill masta

Hello! I am also dying to hear this. Please tell me what to do! mail@peterfritzen.dk

Remix/Mashup category?[edit]

I wonder if there should be a category for remixes and mashups (like, for instance, the incredibly dirty- yet hilarious- Lil Kim mashup linked to in the latest Flans e-mail). I think TMBG fans would be interested to hear fan-made remixes and mashups, and this page could list and perhaps link to them, as well as track offical remixes (by Joshua Fried, the Dust Brothers, etc.). The only problem is the legality of linking to these songs- although, judging from the amused response to the Lil Kim mix I don't think the Johns mind things like mashups. -Martorano


--I agree, I have about a dozen different mashups/unauthorized remixes that I listen to on my TMBG playlist, right along with all the TMBG songs. there are some way cool ones, and some I don't know much about and about which I would like to know more, like one by Spencer Owen called TMBG Soundbite Collage. There are some TMBG sounds in there that I don't know from where they come. What do others think? We do have a page for covers of TMBG songs, maybe they could go there? We also have a Fans In Bands page that I think of as more of a comunity page, which are nice things to have that keep people coming here. Maybe if there enough people out there that use this wiki that make mixes or mashups of their own, we could have a page for that. I don't know what the legality is here or not, or what Operator Dot thinks. I know that we removed all of the TMBG mp3s, but we still have the Covers available for download. Is that okay? If it is, then mashups should be too. I was also thinking that I have seen alot of fan art out there. We don't do all that much with images (yet), but maybe we could build a fan art gallery page. I have also seen and made some tour maps of TMBG using Google maps. I think it could be cool to build a map/maps like this for TMBG here. Does anyone know if there are such things like map wikis? It could be cool to have a map that people could edit, especially one of New York City and all the places that reference TMBG with links to show pages, year pages, and so on. I have only been wikiing for a few months, but maybe some others here know if any of this could work or be helpful. (I will also post this on my talk page) Krueger 17:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Here Come The 1-2-3's?[edit]

According to this:[2] article... TMBG is going to put out a 'Here Come The 1-2-3's' album in the spring. Is there any thruth to this..? 'Cause I sure haven't heard anything about it. -INeedACrane

Hmm... I hesitate to take this at face value. I'm thinking that the reporter may have heard someone ask them about doing a follow-up called that durring their publicity tour for the ABCs set and misunderstood. -Cronny
Actually, I was thinking the exact same thing, because this seems to be the only recorded place that says anything about this. I'm sure there would be something else about it somewhere, because it is spring already, after all. -INeedACrane
Spring just started. I'm sure we'll start hearing more about it soon. If not, I guess we can't trust New Jersey newspapers anymore. ;) -CapitalQtalk ♪ 18:39, 20 Mar 2006 (CST)
Hold on a second... we could trust New Jersey newspapers at one time? Has anyone put this question to Operator Dot? Tutt 12:08, 20 Apr 2006 (CDT)
Just asked Dot, she says "I don't believe that is accurate". So, there you go. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 12:23, 20 Apr 2006 (CDT)

Does anyone else think that the article was wrong and, though there probably will be a Here Come The 123s, it meant TMBG's Mysterious Next Album will be released this spring? That seems much more likely and would coincide nicely with their new tour. --badqueso 00:18, 14 Apr 2006 (CDT)

Review Links?[edit]

I had an idea for something that could be added to each album's page: links to external reviews (Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, Spin, etc.) What does everyone think? --Martorano

I think that's a great idea. -Cronny

I think it would be cool if there was a user reviews feature. Ideally, it would be set up by a system that would allow you to go to the album page and hit a button that generats your own review page. However, I am not a coder, but hey! It's an idea! -tomthefirst

I don't think user reviews are such a good idea. This is a TMBG fan site, so most of us have a bias. Maybe a rating system for the albums like the one already in place for the songs? --Martorano

I'll get to the album voting soon...have a couple other things that i'm working on now, like moving the downloads.--Duke33 05:59, 23 Mar 2006 (CST)

Cool, thanks! --Martorano

What are we doing to pigs?[edit]

Maybe I'm just a bit TMBG-happy after calling to Dial-A-Song, but... On the Daily Show, if you saw it tonight, there was a little 3-second ditty singing the name of the segment ("What are we doing to pigs?"). And although I'm anything but sure, I think I might have heard Flansy's voice as part of the vocals. ~ Magbatz 22:46, 29 Mar 2006 (CST)

I'm almost positive it was Flans. --Martorano

TMBG does the music, according to the most recent email bulletin.

Also, it's at the end of Podcast 6B.

TMBG albums in the new iPod ad?[edit]

I'll give 20 bucks a firm handshake to anyone that can spot a TMBG album in the new iPod ad. --Droffats 00:43, 10 Apr 2006 (CDT)

After watching it frame-by-frame, I saw many awesome 'hidden' albums that you can't notice on TV, like Franz Ferdinand's debut album, Green Day's Dookie, and Yes's Close To The Edge and Fragile. But I searched and searched and didn't see TMBG anywhere. :( -CapitalQtalk ♪ 19:54, 9 Apr 2006 (CDT)
I was looking and I couldn't find it. Aww... =( --Lemita 08:39, 11 Apr 2006 (CDT)
Yeah I look for one every time I see that ad. Every once in a while my eyes trick me in to thinking I can see The Spine.
I thought I saw Apollo 18 for a split second. But I'm not exactly the best looker, seeing as I get sidetracked finding Barenaked Ladies and the Beastie Boys almost everywhere in the ad.~ magbatz 12:48, 15 Apr 2006 (CDT)

Mickey Mouse song[edit]

Is the new song on that Disney page linked to in the news? If so, where do I have to look? I couldn't find it anywhere. - Whirrrlwind 16:59, 10 Apr 2006 (CDT)

[3] :D -CapitalQtalk ♪ 17:15, 10 Apr 2006 (CDT)

Another TMBG Song in a Dunkin' Doughnuts Thing[edit]

I'm watching tv, and I just saw a commercial for some icee/coffee thing from Dunkin' Doughnuts and there was a TMBG song in it. It had something to do with a kid in a tree who didn't want to come down. Pretty sure it was Flans singing, but I only caught the tail end of it.

Neat, haven't seen that one yet. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 18:14, 17 Apr 2006 (CDT)
That was me; just created an account. I'm hoping it'll come on again, but I've only seen one of the new commercials so far. -Valerie

Definitely just saw another one too, it was called "Planting a Broom" or "Packing a Room", I can't tell which. Probably the second because it had to do with a family packing before a trip. Definitely. -AtionSong 20:20, 17 Apr 2006 (CDT)

-The line is "Plenty of Room."


Does anyone know if TMBG is the only one making Dunkin' Donut ads? I've heard another "Runs On Dunkin'" ad on the radio a few times and I'm calling it "Snack Machine." It's sung by a female that I don't recognize and could quite possibly be 'not TMBG'. Though if someone told me it was Them, I'd believe them. So has anyone else heard it? Or does anyone trust my hard-of-hearing-ness enough to make a page for it? --badqueso 23:46, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

I saw some commerical on tv, with these kids yelling actives they play while in there car for dunkin donuts which sounded like tmbg, a few times. - Half Empty 12:13, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

I could be wrong, but I think that this is another TMBG Dunkin' Donuts commercial found on YouTube. I'd call it Karate!, but I won't make a page for it unless someone else agrees with me. ~Drew

It sounds like Flans to me. Unfortunately these commercials seem to get worse as we go along. --badqueso 01:53, 27 Jun 2006 (MDT)
I actually liked this one. But you're right, I didn't much like the Lunch Is Over one, which can also be found on YouTube. I still haven't seen or heard One Billion Degrees, so the jury's still out on that one. Now I'm going to take Badqueso's comment as agreement and make that Karate! page.
Oh, and I still wish someone would post high-quality audio rips for Lunch Is Over, One Billion Degrees, Karate!, and any other TMBG Dunkin' commercials that might be out there on the TMBW.Net MP3s page . . . ~Drew

OOOH![edit]

[4] The thing 18:47, 25 Apr 2006 (CDT)

What's the "oooh" about? The file doesn't appear to be archived. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 18:52, 25 Apr 2006 (CDT)

Hey, look here: Download:Theme For Thesmokinggun.Com

Best Band Picture[edit]

Listen up "They might be Giants" fans, I have a dilemma.

Over at Wiki Guitar we have a section for tabs. The section is great, it has the capacity to grow very well. Anyway, it's structured in a way such that each artist has a featured picture so you can see what they look like.

There is no picture for They might be Giants, and I have only begun transferring the tabs over. Anyway, I need to find a good picture for you fellas!

I have had a lot of trouble with spam, so you have to login, but I took the hassle out of creating a new account:

Username:tmbw password:awesome

Please, login and upload a picture of the band, and the best one will be chosen!

Thanks.

I like this one very much. - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 08:42, 26 Apr 2006 (CDT)

2007?![edit]

I'm not sure I trust that article's source (nor do I want to). Atleast to me, it seems like things with the new album have been going much faster than a 2007 releast-date would imply. It's only late-April. I'm still counting on an '06 release-date. -Cronny

I'm pretty sure it's just an estimated date, but don't get your hopes up. It could be true. :( -CapitalQtalk ♪ 09:56, 26 Apr 2006 (CDT)
That kinda depressed me too. I'm hoping it comes out sooner that '07, but anything anytime is always good. --Valerie 19:57, 26 Apr 2006 (CDT)
Anything but summer/spring 2007! I don't wanna waaaaiiiit! But y'know, it could be wrong, but it's probably true... --Lemita 19:17, 27 Apr 2006 (CDT)
It's most definitely confirmed now. Ah well. --Valerie 20:36, 20 May 2006 (CDT)

new Bed-Bed-Bed-ish releases? no?[edit]

On the 2005 page, there was something indicating that news had arisen about "Two more book projects with Simon and Schuster" being in the works. And a look back to the mailing list archive shows this:

TMBG is also happy to announce we will be creating two more book-and-CD sets for Simon & Schuster (the fine publishers who brought you "Bed, Bed, Bed"). We'll embark on the first new book this fall while I'm working nights in NYC in the extended run of the off-Broadway production of "People Are Wrong!" at the Vineyard Theater. It's too soon to announce the titles, but this next one will definitely be for young adults, or really old kids.

Anyone know whatever came of that. To my knowledge, I don't think Simon & Schuster are with Disney, so I don't think they were talking about Here Come The ABCs (unless they ditched S&S for Disney Sound).

This Just In[edit]

On my websites bashing move, I noticed a new news item on http://tmbg.com -
COMING IN A WHILE: TMBG is contributing a song to CG feature Coraline and A Day for Wilbur Robinson, as well as the soundtrack for an animated short entitled Moongirl.
Woo! - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 09:33, 30 Apr 2006 (CDT)

I found more info on moongirl here. Just click on "Projects"; "Moongirl". Looks sweet! -AtionSong 12:26, 30 Apr 2006 (CDT)
Oh, and Coraline too. -12:27, 30 Apr 2006 (CDT)

Awesome...has anyone read the books? Neil Gaiman is fantastic, and Dave McKean is my favorite artist of all time. I read somewhere that the Magnetic Fields were doing some music for Coraline as well; if TMBG and the Magnetic Fields got together I think I'd just die. --Martorano

Ha-ha, ironic... I just read Coraline last year for a school project (I had to "become" her in a speech)... I hope the song (and the movie!) is any good. =) Coraline is fantastic, a TMBG-esque book. Y'know, their whole darker bits of songs... Wow, cool.--Lemita 18:00, 2 May 2006 (CDT)
I know it makes me an ass for pointing it out, but nothing about that is ironic. It's just coincidental. Sorry, pet peeve of mine... -Cronny

arbitrary song meanings[edit]

This might sound somewhat stupid, but don't you think that perhaps the meaning of the songs is something that we can't know because they're way too personal, or because the songs only mean something if we establish our own meanings for them? What if they don't have any meaning at all and we're supposed to fill in the blanks? Or what if there are no blanks to be filled, that they are meaningless?


Well, duh. ~scottus0

Conservative Fans[edit]

Is anyone else here a conservative TMBG fan?

I am. ~Drew
Socially conservative or economically conservative? --Martorano
If you mean socially, you probably didn't like what they said during Why Does The Sun Shine? at one of their recent concerts: "At a Seattle concert (Nov. 7, 2005) at the Moore theater, Flansburgh instead said 'The heat and light from the sun are caused by the nuclear reaction between a failed foreign policy, a failed domestic policy, and a failed presidency.'" -Cronny
That's brilliant! How long do you think the song would be if he listed everything the president has completely bungled? You'd need an intermission. --Martorano
God what I wouldn't have given to be there... I hope they say that when I see them, which will hopefully be soon, but who knows? -Cronny

It's hard to be a conservative TMBG fan, since at least one of them is a Liberal and most of thier fans are too.

He said that at the St. Louis show 5/6/06 as well- I freaked.
I don't know how hard it would to still be a fan- I love Morrissey, but I'm not a vegetarian. I guess the in-your-face liberalism would get old really fast though. --Martorano
I don't know how "in-your-face" it is. Aside from the MoveOn.org CD and this new version of The Sun, there's not much else. -Cronny
That's true, Flans isn't exactly Al Franken, ha ha. --Martorano
Yar. - Doug the Aquacell Guy 09:51, 23 May 2006 (CDT)

Maybe you guys are right. I probably shouldn't focus on political opinions of bands I like.

Hahaha! I was the one who put that Seattle concert note there. I downloaded that show and HAD to share it with everyone! By the way, I'm pretty liberal. You should hear the Johns RIPPING on Bush throughout the concert. Maybe because They knew they were in the Liberal Left Coast, because the audience loved it, too. We don't like our Bush up here in the Pacific Northwest. Also, Call Connected Thru the NSA is pretty awesome, too. I wrote the lyrics up on the board of my Humanities class and my instructer liked it so much she kept it up for a week! HA!

BTW, Here's a little transcript of said ripping:

Linnell: Remeber back when we were Republicans? Wasn't that crazy?
Flans: Yeah
Linnell: I was like "This war is gonna be grreat! It's gonna be GRREAT!"
Flans: I give it three weeks max. Three weeks. They got no idea. Yeah, it's a mess....Alright the pundit part's over.
--tehbagel ( o ) 09:31, 14 May 2006 (CDT)


Can I ask what you guys don't like about George W. Bush? Between this and hearing about them being jerks to a fan, I find it hard to listen to the music.

Do you really want to open up this can of worms? Here is just a short list of complaints I have about the current administration: 1. The gradual reduction of freedoms in the name of "preventing terrorism". The truth is, none of us are really safer. 2. There have been accusations of trying to find the source of leaks (NSA story). Why would the government do this unless it had something to hide? 3. What people don't realise is that our government is supposed to be working for us, we appoint them to protect our best interests, and I feel the government is moving alarmingly quick to totalitarian mode. 4. The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. This administration is in the back pocket of big businesses, so much so that the average American is well aware of and considers it normal. This is an atrocity. 5. I believe that George Bush has committed treason against his country, and continues to lie to us. The fact that he isn't behind bars for the death of thousands of soldiers troubles me. 6. As Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who are willing to trade freedom for safety do not deserve either."

As soon as I have the required work experience, I'm moving to Canada. America is quickly moving toward a dictatorship. Did you hear about Bush talking about why his brother Jeb would be a good successor? Can you say "monarchy"?--tehbagel ( o ) 15:00, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

I wonder if there are liberal Alan Jackson fans? Or liberal Toby Keith fans? Can you be a fan of Eminem and not be a homophobe? Can you like Bob Marley and not smoke pot? I think this is an interesting discussion. And tehbagel has only skimmed the surface of what is drastically wrong with the current administration. What about Katrina? What about the constitutional admendment banning gay marriage? The erosion of church and state, the castration of life-saving scientific research involving stem cells? I hope that there are a lot of non-Americans on this wiki, because I want you guys to know a lot of people in this country feel the same way about Dubya that you do. I'm not a fan of the Democrats, either (I'm a Libertarian), but if we don't start seeing the tide change a little bit I'm going to write my own protest album. -Martorano
I don't want to get into trouble on here, because like everyone else here, I love TMBG, so I don't want to make enemies. But could someone explain to me (briefly) exactly how they think the separation of church and state is being messed up? Also, George W. Bush is a conservative, so you have to expect him to support conservative political policies--like banning gay marriage and stopping stem cell research. So saying that his support of these policies are examples of what's "drastically wrong with the current administration" is like me saying that support of legalized abortion is an example of what was "drastically wrong with former administrations." Sure, that may be my opinion, but supporting abortion is a liberal policy, so it should be expected of liberal administrations. So while someone may think that Bush's conservative policies are examples of things wrong with the world, that's just that person's opinion. And as much as someone may hate those policies, there are a lot of people who support them, and Bush's support of them shouldn't come to anyone as some kind of outrageously unexpected surprise. Some of the other points brought up above may seem a bit more grey, but does everyone at least see my point?
So with that said, I have to now second the idea that this is a can of worms we may not want to spend too much time on. Some people love Bush and some people hate him. But we all love TMBG, so let's focus on that (though you can still answer my question about "the erosion of church and state"). Also, I'd be pretty surprised if the Johns really ever treated fans like jerks just because the fans were conservatives. (Assuming the fans didn't start some kind of fight themselves . . .) ~Drew
PS: I get the point of the quote, but it's probably not a Franklin quote, and it's also a misquote. For more on that, go here
Drew, the erosion of the seperation of church and state is pretty evident. The president has changed regulations preventing faith-based groups from recieving federal funding- in fact, 2.1 billion dollars were awarded to faith-based groups last year alone, which is about 11% of federal money awarded to community groups. The whole gay marriage ban is based upon the Biblical theory of homosexuality as an abomination, and the religious tradition of marriage being between a man and a woman. George Bush means to alter our Constitution based on a religious principle, and I find this supremely troubling. You make some good points about Bush's policies being conservative policies, and I guess some of them are a matter of opinion, but discrimination and human progress shouldn't be liberal or conservative issues. By discrimination I mean the denial of rights to certain Americans- in this instance, gays, who can now join the ranks of Native Americans, African-Americans and women who have been afforded less rights than the majority. Once, women weren't allowed to vote or own land, and now gay people can't marry or adopt a child. To me, this is clearly discrimination, and anyone who supports discrimination is always in the wrong. And when I talk about human progress I of course mean stem cell research, which scientists estimate could save millions of lives, drastically increase our lifespans, and virtually eliminate many common bodily ailments. I understand that this site probably isn't the best forum to openly and freely discuss these issues, but it was brought up, so I'm merely stating what I (and, apparently, a lot of TMBG fans) believe. -Martorano

Exactly. The argument that conservatives give for being against stem cell research basically boils down to "we shouldn't have to sacrifice the innocent lives of the few for the good of the many", even though it is debatable how "alive" fetuses are. However, isn't what we are doing in Iraq, sacrificing the lives of innocent troops in order to set up some kind of government, the same thing? There is a level of hypocracy in Government that makes me red in the face. Listen: I am ALL FOR you being against abortion. I don't care if you think it's "right" or "wrong", but don't push your beliefs upon others by making them law. If you don't like abortion, fine, don't be involved in them, but why should your beliefs be law to anybody? Why do conservatives feel the need to force their opinions and beliefs (especially ones that are backed up by, "God says ______ is wrong/right") upon the masses? How religion can EVER be used as an argument in any kind of debate appalls me. Just because of the fact that one may think homosexuality is wrong, doesn't mean they can discriminate against gays. They are people and deserve the rights guarenteed to them by the constitution. I guess that's my libertarian streak showing. The founding fathers were very afraid of government doing exactly what it is doing right now, and it's why they wrote in the Second Amendment, the right to form a militia (the whole point of bearing arms) so the government has to fear the people. It is every true patriot's duty to question the government at every step, and fix what is broken.--tehbagel ( o ) 10:33, 20 May 2006 (CDT)

I'm not sure if some of you guys really understand the purpose of the separation of church and state. When it was created, it had to do mainly with preventing what has happened so often in Europe and other areas of the world in the past--one religion gaining control of a nation and persecuting or outlawing all other religions, etc. It had nothing to do with federal funding to faith-based (or non-faith-based) community groups, etc. It also had nothing to do with protecting the "right" of atheists to not have any exposure to religious material in puplic places, schools, etc.--an argument often used recently by those who think that all traces of religion should be erased from public life and that every religious person is some kind of crazed fanatic. But I'm going to leave the rest of these issues alone to avoid contention and anger on the wiki, other than to point out that enough people agree with Bush and traditional, conservative Judeo-Christian values for Bush and others like him to get elected. As someone said above, "our government is supposed to be working for us," so you can't blame a conservative official for supporting the conservative policies of the millions of conservative people that elected him or her, whether or not you agree with them. So liberals have to remember that the liberal beliefs and opinions they might have are not as "self-evident" or unquestionably "correct" as they may think, since about half of the nation seems to disagree with them. And, of course, the reverse side of that is true as well--about half of the nation disagrees with conservatives. ~Drew
Drew, you make a good point about the origin of the church/state seperation in the United States. However, and this is something of a cliche, how would a Christian feel if Vishnu or Allah were represented on the currency, or in the Pledge, or uttered by the President following the State of the Union address? How would a Catholic feel having to swear upon the Koran or even "Dianetics"? (That was a lame joke, sorry.) The seperation of church and state is to protect everybody, so that, like you said, no one religion gains too much control, which is unfortunately what we're seeing in the current political climate. The religious right has a lot of sway in our country, and are constantly pandered to by conservatives for fear of losing their votes. You point out that there are a lot of people that agree with Bush, and that's true, but a lot of people agreed that the world was flat. A lot of people packed the Roman colosseums to watch Christians being fed to lions. A lot of people owned slaves. Just because something is popular does not in any way make it right. --Martorano
Similarly, the fact that gay marriage and other such issues are popular among many people now does not make them right. That argument goes both ways. ~Drew
Yes, it does, but in the case of gay marriage I'd argue that anyone not in favor of it perhaps needs a bit of a history lesson. Like I said, this country has a very sad history of denying rights to certain sectors of its population- women, African-Americans and other minorities. Interracial marriage was illegal until 1967. Not to mention slavery or segregation, or forcing Native Americans onto reservations. Or Asian-Americans into internment camps. I'm certainly not going to compare slavery to the proposed ban on gay marriage, but how is denying a gay couple the right to get married any different than not allowing an African-American the right to vote? Or would you have that right stripped away? I know that was a low blow, but it's a question that has to be asked: if you support certain people having more rights than others based on who they are, what's to say you're not opposed to allowing only white Christian males to vote? Or own land? --Martorano
While I don't agree with any of the types of discrimination you mention from America's past (which, in reality, isn't any sadder than anyone else's past, since large portions of the world still had the same types of discrimination when we did, and some still do NOW), I don't think banning gay marriage is discrimination because, among other reasons, I think marriage, by definition, has to involve a member of each sex. And a lot of Americans (among others) agree with me, as I've mentioned and as many recent elections prove. Slaves were denied freedom, while others had freedom. Blacks were denied the right to vote, while others had that right. But gays are denied gay marriage, as is everyone else. There's no difference between "white freedom" and "black freedom" or between "white voting" and "black voting." But there is, in my opinion, a fundamental difference between traditional marriage and gay marriage, as much as people now are trying to "redefine marriage" (hence the re- in the phrase). So I guess I'll have to use a couple cliches and say that this is neither the time nor the place for this discussion, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. ~Drew
If I may, though: you say that marriage has to, by definition, involve a member of each sex. I wonder what you base that on? Religion? Tradition? I'm not trying to be hostile, I'm honestly curious. By the way, even though we obviously disagree, thank you for being clear, concise, and respectful- so many times it's easy to resort to childish name-calling and finger-wagging, and I admire someone who can stand up for what they believe in in a mature fashion. --Martorano
Marriage is a religious observance, hence the wedding. Marriage was created by and for religion. If homosexual couples feel they must share the same benefits as a marriage, almost all states offer civil unions.


To Drew: Oops! I think I should have been more clear. The Johns weren't (supposedly) mean beacause the fans were conservative. They were just all around (supposedly) unfriendly. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I AM NOT SAYING I BELIEVE THEY WERE JERKS. I DO NOT MEAN TO SPREAD RUMORS. I JUST READ IT ON TOONZONE FROM SOMEONE WHO I FIND TO BE RELIABLE. I DO LIKE TMBG! I'LL STOP TALKING IN CAPS... now. To Martorano: While my opinion on gay marriage is different than yours, I respect your respect for Drew's respect for your opinion.

I, too, am thankful for how respectful this conversation has been all around. Internet discussions about politics can be notoriously hateful, childish, and disrespectful, so I'm glad this one has been anything but. My beliefs on gay marriage are personal beliefs that are largely faith-based. "Tradition" strikes me as the wrong word, because I've seen what blind tradition can do to people. You've seen it--the person who can only explain his or her religious beliefs by saying, "I'm ________ (insert any given religious denomination here) because my parents are/were _________. It's a tradition." Or some variation thereof. Informed, personal religious beliefs would be a better term for my beliefs. Also, in large part I agree with the comment above that "Marriage is a religious observance, hence the wedding. Marriage was created by and for religion." And, if you're not against dragging out this conversation, Martoano, I think it would be only fair if you explained the origins of your beliefs a bit. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.
I also appreciate the above explanation/clarification about the Johns being "jerks" from the unnamed creator of this thread. And, again, I appreciate the respectful discussion from Martorano and everyone else involved here. ~Drew
There is a personal reason I feel very strongly about this particular issue. I worked for about a year with a man in his sixties, a gay man who has been with the same partner for about forty years. Forty years! And they aren't allowed to marry, yet any heterosexual couple can go and get a quickie marriage from a drive-thru in Las Vegas. So that's why gay marriage kind of hits close to home for me. But, Drew, I think you're right: we should agree to disagree. --Martorano
It's agreed, then! :) Thanks for all of your comments. (Oh, and I'll try to briefly address everything below later.) ~Drew

I must put my two cents in: Drew, your statement that marriage is by religion for religion is grossly wrong. The word marriage was never used in religion until the goverment coined the phrase. The word that religion used for marriage was a hebrew word meaning "ownership", in that the man traditionally owned his woman; she was property. I don't recall the word right now, but I could get you the word tomorrow in my Bible As Literature class. Anyway, if you think marriage is just between a man and a woman, then don't be involved in same sex marriages. How does two gay men being married hurt you exactly? I don't understand why religious beliefs are being made into law that all have to follow. As Stephen Colbert greatly summed up a stab at the neo-cons, "I accept all, be you Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist, no matter which path you choose to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior."--tehbagel ( o ) 14:25, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

I'm not touching the political debate, but I'm rather curious about what you heard "about them being jerks to a fan." What did they do exactly that was so terrible? I've had nothing but positive experiences when I've had the opportunity to interact with them, and I think the vast majority of fans would say likewise. — aliste 23:53, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

Drew: http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=166729 Read Zubby's post for even more clarification. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THEY DID GET DONE WITH A CONCERT JUST RECENTLY, AND THEY MAY HAVE BEEN TIRED, JUST AS ZUBBY SAYS. No more caps!

Lack of Beardo downloads[edit]

I was dissapointed to hear this, but does anyone else think that rather than it signaling the end of the download store, it's just showing that they want to keep their new albums' songs under wraps? -Cronny

Exactly what I was thinking. EckSig.gif

What is the source of this news item? Hasn't it always taken a while to get the shows up? Additionally, At the show in St. Pete they had audience mikes next to the confetti canons. --badqueso 12:24, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

That's a good point. But if the guy's source is correct, they may just be waiting until the album comes out to release the Beardo live shows. -Cronny

The guy had no source other than the fact that the theymightbegiants.com shows page lists "Not available" for the Beardo shows. Someone might've wrote that instead of "Coming soon"... -CapitalQtalk ♪ 14:12, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

Maybe it was an insider... or not... -Cronny

Hee, I made the front page! I feel so special. —aliste

I certainly hope TMBG eventually releases the downloads from this tour. It would be a waste of a new digital mixer to keep the shows under wraps. And besides, they released shows that contained performances of songs from "Here Come the A-B-C's" before it had been released. -Reynoldbot

Seriously, it seems like goofy logic to hold them. I don't think anyone's going to say, "I've got live recordings of two tracks from the new album. I guess I won't buy it." Similarly, people likely would buy the downloads to get a couple tracks early. -Buschap

It may sound like goofy logic, but maybe the Johns noticed that a common complaint by reviewers about Mink Car was that so many of the songs on the album had already been available in other forms and on other releases, etc. Similarly, if you look at the "What songs do you hope will be on Their next album" section of the TMBG's Mysterious Next Album page, you'll notice that several people have put or supported things like "something new" or "something we've never heard before," etc. The Johns seem to be quite aware of their fans--and their reviewers, I'm sure--so they're probably just trying to learn from their past experiences. ~Drew

There could be a legal reason behind it.. remember, They don't even list the titles of the ABCs songs on their download page in shows that occured before the album came out.. maybe this time out, They can't even give us the live music. -TDK 06:10, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

I'm really disappointed about this... especially for all the US Servicemembers overseas who are unable to enjoy this year's tour through the live downloads. I hope that that doesn't mean that this tour will be lost forever, and that they can release it when their new album is out. -jesseg

KoL references[edit]

I just fixed one but I'm not eager to do them all. I'm not even sure if you want them on the wiki. If you do, however, and anyone wants fill them in, here's a comprehensive list and table of TMBG references in Kingdom Of Loathing: http://pop.shinketsu.net/search.php?seek=giants - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 09:15, 6 May 2006 (CDT)

MusicVid Announcement[edit]

I realize it's innapropriate to post a news item about a fan-vid, but would anyone be offended if I announced it here? This is more of an open forum, so I think it would be okay, but I'd like to know what you think before I do it. -Cronny

Theres been huge debates over whether fan vids should be allowed to be posted on the main page, or even on the specific song page. Im pretty sure that no one will be offended if you write it on this Talk page, but as far as I know the arguement favours that fan-made vids dont get mentioned on the Front Main Page. To read up on the arguement: Talk:Videos --AnklePants 22:07, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
Thanks, I was actually part of that discussion, but we never really touched upon the talk pages. Anyway, here's the link: http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/313104 if anyone gets mad I can blame you ;) -Cronny
Deal--AnklePants 06:17, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
Great video :) - repugnant

User locations[edit]

I was just wondering how far (gloabally speaking) TMBW users span. Maybe this could become a misc page. Please discuss. I was specific wondering if I am the sole user who is representing the entire continent of Oceania (what a responsability!)--AnklePants 06:25, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

Maybe "Location" could be one of the babel boxes for the user pages. -Martorano
Thats a good idea, coz then it doesnt have to specific, it can be rather general, such as American states or countries outside the US. I have no idea how to make babel boxes though. If anyone else is interested and know how...--AnklePants 08:07, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
I could get started on those tomorrow. Leave me a list of places on my talk page. Alternatively, I could set up a Frappr map. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 03:34, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
No Frappr. Another Wiki I know of does that and I hate it, since you have to give city too (right?) Personally I vote Babel boxes, ones for all 50 American states, the Canadian provinces, and then other countries. (Well, you know, other countries you'd -expect- to access a TMBG Wiki, and then if someone from say Slovenia comes up here and asks for a Babel box we can make him one.) I can help. - Doug the Aquacell Guy 10:07, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
What, you don't expect someone from Slovenia to like TMBG? That's rude! (P.S. Slovenia is a country right? It sounds like something from The Lord of the Rings). --Martorano 12:59, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
Yep. It's actually a new country that came out of the end of the Cold War. Actually, quite a few people over there may like the band. It's quite a bit better off than most other new (1990+) nations. (If Lord of the Rings took place on October 11th, Gandalf would've had THEY printed on his forehead. They're popular there too.) - Doug the Aquacell Guy 21:05, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
Or we could just type in what ever place we're from, like we would type in what ever our username is for one of the Wiki babel boxes. --Droffats 21:08, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

A Poll Question, Sort Of[edit]

I'm curious to see people's answers... a lot of unreleased TMBG songs are only circulating in really bad quality. Which one of these songs would you like to hear in prime quality?

I vote for "What Is Everyone Staring At?" Even in its early form, 'Sleepwalkers' had the making of a great tune.

I'd say either What Is Everyone Staring At, or maybe The Bloodboat. They both would've sounded great, and they still do, even if they're low quality. ~ magbatz
How about No Answer? Or--though I know it'll never happen--the adult version of Four Of Two? ~Drew
How could I have forgotten No Answer? That definitely trumps my other two favorites. And although I prefer the suicide version of Four Of Two, the No! one satisfies all my broken clock needs.
I have the pretty bad quality of No Answer on my mp3 player, and I absolutely love that song. =) I would love to have a nice quality version (or studio!) of that. --Lemita 11:27, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
I'd also like to hear studio versions of Coffee Table Of Love, A TMBG Song, Hi, Live Like Pigs, Reminder, Side 2, Welcome To The World, The Sun Is On Fire, The Writing's On The Wall, We Love All The People, and Titanic Fog. Then again, I'd also just like to hear the Dial-A-Song versions of those songs. Anybody have them? :)
Take a sneak peek to this page: Talk:Power Of Dial-A-Song. Our dearest fellow Liam uploaded some of these songs. - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 05:12, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
COOLNESS! Thanks! :) That's a really cool Web site. Whenever I finally find a job and therefore have more (guiltless) free time, I'll have to post some of the rare stuff I have. BTW, Whirlwind, any more links like that on random pages/talk pages on here? ~Drew
None that I know of. - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 06:34, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
Okay, okay--that wasn't really on topic. But really, would anybody else love to hear an album version of I'm Your Boyfriend Now, Kids Are Different Now, or Kings Of The Cave? Maybe even Sally Boy Candy Bar? (And you can still answer my question about having those DAS songs above . . .) ~Drew
Tumbleweed. -TDK 07:53, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
I'm going to have to say "No Answer", too. Awesome song. --Martorano
I'm Your Boyfriend Now, Kids Are Different Now, and Sally Boy Candy Bar. Three of my favoritest songs. And I only have them in crappy 32kbps quality. --Valerie 17:35, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
Kids Are Different Now always sounded way too...pop-punk for me. Does that makes sense? It sounds like Sum 41 or something. --Martorano
It's mimicking the style of 1994 (Dookie-era) Green Day. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 18:58, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
That's always been one of my favorite things about TMBG--they can write songs in so many different musical styles! ~Drew

William Allen White's head[edit]

Okay, so TMBG used it in a few concerts and video projects. It was always put in a context of other surreal and bizarre imagery. When I come here, I have to stare at that fuckin' head everywhere: as a background, site icon, everywhere. Even if the guy's supposed to be a mascot, that picture is way too ubiquitous. Where's the diversity of strange imagery that is the visual hallmark of TMBG? Why do you ONLY use that guy's head? TMBG's website is delightfully odd. This one is just... creepy and disturbing. 66.90.73.96 01:46, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

I would just like to note that User:Drew took it upon himself to censor the above comment, but did not feel it necessary to admit doing so or post attribution for the change. The word censored was the evil "f-word," you know, like the one in the TMBG concert favourite "Sorry I Fucked Up The Show". Thankfully, User:Drew has not yet seen fit to reprimand the Johns themselves for their horrible, horrible use of such vulgarity. Next time you see fit to alter someone else's comments, User:Drew, at least have the cojones to follow-up and admit what you've done. Puritans are supposed to be forthright, not cowardly. 66.90.73.96 06:06, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
So who went back and uncensored it? - Doug the Aquacell Guy 09:47, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
Checking the page's history or looking at the Recent changes would show you that the original poster put it back. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 14:27, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
It would, but, that would involve actual effort ;) - Doug the Aquacell Guy 17:41, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
If you consider three or four clicks effort. :D -CapitalQtalk ♪ 18:38, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
If you don't like the logo, you can always change your skin under your preferences. --Duke33 07:41, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
I like the WAW head. Just my two cents. --Martorano 08:06, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
Agreed. Black-and-white 40's/50's heads are just wonderful. - Doug the Aquacell Guy 09:47, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
The picture was most likely taken during the 30's actually, judging by William Allen White's age in the image and the fact that he died in 1944. -CapitalQtalk ♪ 14:27, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I felt no need to mark a change like that, given the ease with which the source of the change could be found by checking the page's history or using the Recent Changes page and the fact that I wasn't adding a comment myself. You'll also note a little warning/disclaimer at the bottom of the page every time you edit or add to a page, which goes like this: "Please note that all contributions to This Might Be A Wiki may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here." People edit the spelling, phrasing, grammar, and other content of my posts all the time, and I make minor changes (especially spelling) to others' posts as well. And given the fact that lots of kids like TMBG (like I did as a kid, though I didn't know them well), I just try to keep a public forum like this as free as possible from needless profanity. So sue me. I do, however, draw the line at changing the names of songs that I had nothing to do with the writing of. Just curious, but does anyone else have an opinion on this matter? I'm open to feedback. ~Drew
Editing someone else's work on an article and changing their signed comments on a talk page do not seem to fall into the same category. As far as "kids" and profanity are concerned, if it's not used to abuse or demean other posters I don't see the problem. They're just words, right? As a "kid" I read Mark Twain, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Heinlein, Salinger... all sorts of profane literature. Somehow I managed not to sprout horns and cloven hooves...
I personally don't see much wrong with swearing (well, with the exception of a few words, the f-bomb not being one) some people do, and it's best just to respect their wishes and keep the actual TMBW.net content clean. However, songs, song titles, shows, et cetera...keep them as they are. Puppets gonna screw you up =D - Doug the Aquacell Guy 14:37, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Commission Junction[edit]

I noticed in the latest news post has a redirect-thingy in the front of the address. And that when Ecks attempted to get rid of it, it was reverted. Could you tell us what this is, Duke33? Doing a little research on it leads me to believe it's some sort of advertising technique. --Droffats 14:24, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

Yes - We have an affiliate program with eMusic, Napster, iTunes, Amazon, and other sites...We get paid for people that click through to emusic and then open up a subscription with them. So, i try to make sure that all emusic links on the site go through our affiliate program, in case someone clicks through and then signs up. --Duke33 14:27, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

Heh. My dad used to be the CFO of Commission Junction. I'd never actually seen them in action before.--Salt-Man Z 19:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Random page[edit]

What about making the Lyrics, Chronology and Interpretations namespaces accessible for the Random page function? Is that possible at all? - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 10:39, 3 Jun 2006 (CDT)

Page Idea[edit]

WOuld anybody mind if I created a page "Tab Squad" where users who regularly create guitar tabs. It would contain a sign up sheet for regular contributators as well as a count of how many tabs they've created and then a list of songs that still need tabs and tabs that users think need improvement. Does this sound good? Can I go ahead and make it? -AtionSong 12:28, 3 Jun 2006 (CDT)

Sounds fine to me. :) -CapitalQtalk ♪ 13:00, 3 Jun 2006 (CDT)

An Idea...[edit]

HOw come there isn't a "related songs" area in each music page? I think it would be helpful if you found your way to a live version of a song, when you wanted the album recording. Sorry if this is already somewhere and I missed it.--71.240.7.23 15:10, 4 Jun 2006 (CDT)

You were right but you don't have to be sorry for that. It's the chronology page for each song. - Whirrrlwind (Woosh!) 15:21, 4 Jun 2006 (CDT)
Oh, thanks. I really should have searched thoroughly before I asked.
It's not really a matter of searching, there's a Chronology link on the bottom right of every song page. :) -CapitalQtalk ♪ 16:43, 4 Jun 2006 (CDT)

I have no idea what to title this...[edit]

Well, a problem I've been seeing is things like Your Own Worst Enemy (Demo)'s song name is "Your Own Worst Enemy (Demo)", but the song's name is Your Own Worst Enemy, Your Own Worst Enemy (Demo). So, I guess I think we should just take off the "(Demo)" part out of song names, and stuff like that, because it's not the song's name, I guess. I could be totally wrong about this, but that's what I think and if there is a specific reason why the demo portion of the song name is totally intelligent and isn't really retarded, just explain it to me. --liam 09:20, 22 Jun 2006 (MDT)

I agree. The song name doesn't include descriptions about it's release or how we at the wiki differentiate them. --badqueso 13:06, 22 Jun 2006 (MDT)
Maybe you guys are looking at this wrong...but I think the only reason the field was called Song Name is because it sounds and fits a lot better than Version Name. In other words, how we have it set up now is the correct way, despite the fact that the line is called just "Song Name." -CapitalQtalk ♪ 19:19, 22 Jun 2006 (MDT)